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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#41 » by Arsenal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:15 am

I'd rather keep a 23 year old Korkmaz at $10M/yr going forward than a 33 year old Green or a 35 year old Hill.

I don't see us keeping both Green and Hill at their current salaries next year unless we're willing to eat the tax again and risk the repeater.
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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#42 » by 76ciology » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:34 am

Arsenal wrote:I'd rather keep a 23 year old Korkmaz at $10M/yr going forward than a 33 year old Green or a 35 year old Hill.

I don't see us keeping both Green and Hill at their current salaries next year unless we're willing to eat the tax again and risk the repeater.


I wouldnt mind having all 3 and pay the tax that would stop me from getting Anthony Tolliver.

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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#43 » by Hussien Fatal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:50 am

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76ciology wrote:I also find Furkan to be better in running those sets we run for JJ like those DHO with Biid and invert screens for Ben. I believe we were grooming Furk to replace JJ last season.

But here’s the thing. I do think we should stick with our rotation while having the luxury to insert guys better than Seth off the bench, based on match-ups and controlling the rhythm of the game (momentums). And you wont max out the roster by not starting Seth. Because it’s only when Seth plays with Biid and Ben where both guys can’t make up for his deficiency where we can make him bigger than who he is.

Stick with our starting unit but increase PT for Furkan.


When Furkan is in the lineup with Ben and Joel he shoots 54% and 43% from 3 as opposed to shooting just 36% and 34% from 3 In The none Joel and Ben lineups.


This. The reason Seth Curry's numbers are better than Korkmaz is because he plays w/the starters far more often.


Exactly....Furkan has performed so far very good when placed with the starters
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Post#44 » by LloydFree » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:35 am

Arsenal wrote:I'd rather keep a 23 year old Korkmaz at $10M/yr going forward than a 33 year old Green or a 35 year old Hill.

I don't see us keeping both Green and Hill at their current salaries next year unless we're willing to eat the tax again and risk the repeater.

If they were equal players that would make sense but they're not. If we were the Orlando Magic and we were rebuilding, that makes sense, but we're not. For a contender to sign Furkan Korkmaz, at the expense of losing both Danny Green and George Hill, is just bad decision making.
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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#45 » by Sixerscan » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:50 am

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76ciology wrote:I also find Furkan to be better in running those sets we run for JJ like those DHO with Biid and invert screens for Ben. I believe we were grooming Furk to replace JJ last season.

But here’s the thing. I do think we should stick with our rotation while having the luxury to insert guys better than Seth off the bench, based on match-ups and controlling the rhythm of the game (momentums). And you wont max out the roster by not starting Seth. Because it’s only when Seth plays with Biid and Ben where both guys can’t make up for his deficiency where we can make him bigger than who he is.

Stick with our starting unit but increase PT for Furkan.


When Furkan is in the lineup with Ben and Joel he shoots 54% and 43% from 3 as opposed to shooting just 36% and 34% from 3 In The none Joel and Ben lineups.


This. The reason Seth Curry's numbers are better than Korkmaz is because he plays w/the starters far more often.

Seth Curry had like the second best career three point shooting percentage of all time before he even put on a Sixers uniform...
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Post#46 » by Eyeamok » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:02 pm

Arsenal wrote:I'd rather keep a 23 year old Korkmaz at $10M/yr going forward than a 33 year old Green or a 35 year old Hill.

I don't see us keeping both Green and Hill at their current salaries next year unless we're willing to eat the tax again and risk the repeater.


After the 76ers win the championship keeping Hill and Green as part of the "run it back core" might be essential. :D
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Post#47 » by rzzzzz » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:41 pm

Just read the story about how Tatum is now using an inhaler before every game, to try and get the wind that Covid knocked out of him. I got to hope that Seth is using the same. (Or better yet he’s not, but will and regain a little something.)
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Post#48 » by Arsenal » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:43 am

LloydFree wrote:
Arsenal wrote:I'd rather keep a 23 year old Korkmaz at $10M/yr going forward than a 33 year old Green or a 35 year old Hill.

I don't see us keeping both Green and Hill at their current salaries next year unless we're willing to eat the tax again and risk the repeater.

If they were equal players that would make sense but they're not. If we were the Orlando Magic and we were rebuilding, that makes sense, but we're not. For a contender to sign Furkan Korkmaz, at the expense of losing both Danny Green and George Hill, is just bad decision making.


We don't have to lose both. We just have to lose 1. Both guys are at the end so it doesn't make sense to keep both over Kork if money is an issue.

If money is not an issue then keep them all.
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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#49 » by sixers4real » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:56 am

We have 6 wing players.
Green, Hill, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Curry and Joe.
I predict we keep Thybulle and Joe. Keep one of Hill / Curry / Green and find an upgrade like Brogdon using picks, salary fillers in Curry or/and Hill.

So Korkmaz is the odd man out to me.
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Post#50 » by Aussiepiston1 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:34 am

It appears that Doc Rivers really likes Korkmaz and he is getting better, I don’t think he should be starting but I have a feeling they’ll resign him to a similar deal Curry got.
If George Hill looks good they can keep him, Mike Scott won’t come back unless it’s on a minimum, Dwight should be back as well, Danny Green will definitely get a pay cut so the difference might be enough to resign Korkmaz.
The big thing to me is if Simmons or Harris don’t perform well in the playoffs you could trade one of them for a more fitting cheaper player and we’ll still be a contender as long Embiid is healthy
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Post#51 » by sixers4real » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:51 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:It appears that Doc Rivers really likes Korkmaz and he is getting better, I don’t think he should be starting but I have a feeling they’ll resign him to a similar deal Curry got.
If George Hill looks good they can keep him, Mike Scott won’t come back unless it’s on a minimum, Dwight should be back as well, Danny Green will definitely get a pay cut so the difference might be enough to resign Korkmaz.
The big thing to me is if Simmons or Harris don’t perform well in the playoffs you could trade one of them for a more fitting cheaper player and we’ll still be a contender as long Embiid is healthy

You have to have elite stars to win in the NBA.
Cheap fitting players won’t help you do that.

If the Sixers underperform in the upcoming playoffs, I’m
quite sure Morey will work on significant trade using Simmons and/or Harris for another star/superstar.
Keeping Korkmaz and/or finding cheap fitting players won’t improve this team.
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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#52 » by Aussiepiston1 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:43 am

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Aussiepiston1 wrote:It appears that Doc Rivers really likes Korkmaz and he is getting better, I don’t think he should be starting but I have a feeling they’ll resign him to a similar deal Curry got.
If George Hill looks good they can keep him, Mike Scott won’t come back unless it’s on a minimum, Dwight should be back as well, Danny Green will definitely get a pay cut so the difference might be enough to resign Korkmaz.
The big thing to me is if Simmons or Harris don’t perform well in the playoffs you could trade one of them for a more fitting cheaper player and we’ll still be a contender as long Embiid is healthy

You have to have elite stars to win in the NBA.
Cheap fitting players won’t help you do that.

If the Sixers underperform in the upcoming playoffs, I’m
quite sure Morey will work on significant trade using Simmons and/or Harris for another star/superstar.
Keeping Korkmaz and/or finding cheap fitting players won’t improve this team.

You’re right mate I meant to say with star potential
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Post#53 » by elchengue20 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:12 pm

Stars are obviously the key but finding cheap role players is also very important.They not mutually exclusive.

Often what allows you to build a championship team is having good cheap role players that compliment your 2 or 3 stars, or give you flexibility to sign another good player.

Just look at the Lakers last season with Rondo, Dwight, Caruso and Markieff Morris. Thats why i liked the Curry trade, he's a good role player who brings shooting for a cheap price and locked in for multiple years.
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Post#54 » by LloydFree » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:21 pm

elchengue20 wrote:Stars are obviously the key but finding cheap role players is also very important.They not mutually exclusive.

Often what allows you to build a championship team is having good cheap role players that compliment your 2 or 3 stars, or give you flexibility to sign another good player.

Just look at the Lakers last season with Rondo, Dwight, Caruso and Markieff Morris. Thats why i liked the Curry trade, he's a good role player who brings shooting for a cheap price and locked in for multiple years.

Seth Curry isn't cheap. He's a league average player making Mid-level money.
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Post#55 » by elchengue20 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:39 pm

LloydFree wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Stars are obviously the key but finding cheap role players is also very important.They not mutually exclusive.

Often what allows you to build a championship team is having good cheap role players that compliment your 2 or 3 stars, or give you flexibility to sign another good player.

Just look at the Lakers last season with Rondo, Dwight, Caruso and Markieff Morris. Thats why i liked the Curry trade, he's a good role player who brings shooting for a cheap price and locked in for multiple years.

Seth Curry isn't cheap. He's a league average player making Mid-level money.


Elite shooting specialists get paid at least his contract. Maybe he isn't exactly cheap, but he has a fair contract.

Just look at Redick or Bertans salary. Or even Joe Harris who is better but has a much bigger contract.
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Post#56 » by 76ciology » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:03 am

Personally, there’s a big gap between Seth and JJ, Bertans or Joe Harris.

Seth maybe is the better shooter. And would be my bet if we’re competing for a 3pt contest during all star weekend (altho Joe Harris makes for a compelling case)

But I think there’s far more match-up you can play with the group of guys we’re comparing against Seth. That group of guys also are quite good in the art of getting quality looks for a spot up shooter. Whether it’s Bertans jacking up 40 footers, JJ, Furkan or Harris as a screener or moving off screen.

Seth is just a plain elite spot up shooter but needs to be spoon fed with really good quality looks (would be great playing with Doncic or Harden with both guys ability to run 2 man games that can breakdown the defense). He has low and slow shooting release. So he plays well against short perimeter defenders like the Cavs. Defensively, he’s not strong to push a post player and make him settle for a jumper like JJ.

Its just that you CANT just put them all into one category. There’s just a different shades of shooters, that it’s not just by mere looking at the %s.

That said, I think having Biid and Ben on the court can make-up whatever Seth’s flaws are. Thats why he’s OK to start for me.
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Re: Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#57 » by spikeslovechild » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:41 am

76ciology wrote:Personally, there’s a big gap between Seth and JJ, Bertans or Joe Harris.

Seth maybe is the better shooter. And would be my bet if we’re competing for a 3pt contest during all star weekend (altho Joe Harris makes for a compelling case)

But I think there’s far more match-up you can play with the group of guys we’re comparing against Seth. That group of guys also are quite good in the art of getting quality looks for a spot up shooter. Whether it’s Bertans jacking up 40 footers, JJ, Furkan or Harris as a screener or moving off screen.

Seth is just a plain elite spot up shooter but needs to be spoon fed with really good quality looks (would be great playing with Doncic or Harden with both guys ability to run 2 man games that can breakdown the defense). He has low and slow shooting release. So he plays well against short perimeter defenders like the Cavs. Defensively, he’s not strong to push a post player and make him settle for a jumper like JJ.

Its just that you can just put them all into one category. There’s just a different shades of shooters, that it’s not just by mere looking at the %s.

That said, I think having Biid and Ben on the court can make-up whatever Seth’s flaws are. Thats why he’s OK to start for me.


One of the benefits of using Furkan off the bench is with his size you can sub him for both Curry and Green. If you put him in the starting lineup and move Curry off the bench you are basically forcing Seth to only sub in at SG since he is not a ball handler and doesn't have the size for SF.

With Simmons size why not maximize the lineup? With Seth starting you can maximize the minutes both are on the court. If Seth moves to the bench he is probably only going to get half the minutes Furkan is right now. With Furkan the minutes are there to play him 20-30 minutes a night assuming he continues to play well
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Post#58 » by 76ciology » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:40 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
76ciology wrote:Personally, there’s a big gap between Seth and JJ, Bertans or Joe Harris.

Seth maybe is the better shooter. And would be my bet if we’re competing for a 3pt contest during all star weekend (altho Joe Harris makes for a compelling case)

But I think there’s far more match-up you can play with the group of guys we’re comparing against Seth. That group of guys also are quite good in the art of getting quality looks for a spot up shooter. Whether it’s Bertans jacking up 40 footers, JJ, Furkan or Harris as a screener or moving off screen.

Seth is just a plain elite spot up shooter but needs to be spoon fed with really good quality looks (would be great playing with Doncic or Harden with both guys ability to run 2 man games that can breakdown the defense). He has low and slow shooting release. So he plays well against short perimeter defenders like the Cavs. Defensively, he’s not strong to push a post player and make him settle for a jumper like JJ.

Its just that you can just put them all into one category. There’s just a different shades of shooters, that it’s not just by mere looking at the %s.

That said, I think having Biid and Ben on the court can make-up whatever Seth’s flaws are. Thats why he’s OK to start for me.


One of the benefits of using Furkan off the bench is with his size you can sub him for both Curry and Green. If you put him in the starting lineup and move Curry off the bench you are basically forcing Seth to only sub in at SG since he is not a ball handler and doesn't have the size for SF.

With Simmons size why not maximize the lineup? With Seth starting you can maximize the minutes both are on the court. If Seth moves to the bench he is probably only going to get half the minutes Furkan is right now. With Furkan the minutes are there to play him 20-30 minutes a night assuming he continues to play well


First, you have to understand that the starting unit is really about a Biid centric offense.

We’re just basically running an opportunistic scoring action first then just dumping the ball to embiid.

That said Seth benefits a Biid centric offense with teams doubling Biid and being able to kick it to Seth. You also have Ben pushing the ball where he looks for shooters. Then having Green and Ben can hide his flaws on defense while Biid pretty much can anchor any kind of player on his line-up.

You can’t run Seth off the bench, because off the bench means having to generate your scoring. Seth and Ben can’t.

While Shake and Tobi can, furkan can jack up shots with his high release and some off ball stuffs, so those are more preferred off the bench when Biid is not playing.

Lastly, the thing with Doc is he’s the kind of coach who wont put his best foot forward from the get go. He wants to layer it. If he can have handful of line-ups that are playable before having to put his best line-up, that’s what he’ll do. And that is good coaching IMO
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Post#59 » by davesilver » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:30 am

Really a great storyline with furks improvement. What’s his ceiling? Colangelo hit a draft pick (lol)?
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Post#60 » by 76ciology » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:03 am

If he keep it up i’ll make a new thread with the title..

“Is Furkan is THE missing piece?”
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