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Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:43 am
by Murray_17
Kobblehead wrote:Stanford wrote:You've got to give it to Beal though. If it wasn't for him, they'd be losing by like 30 or something
The worst #1 option in the playoffs. Should be a third banana role where his
subpar shotcreating ass belongs.
lol
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:43 am
by Sixerscan
Love easy playoff wins. They don’t come often.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:43 am
by Kobblehead
I know we're starved for creators, so this proposal is unlikely, but I do think Shake should focus on being a catch and shoot spacer. Even at SMU, he was a subpar creator. Didn't really envision him operating at the role he is right now. He seems a little overexposed. I'd like to see him focus back on being a role player.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:44 am
by youngcrev
blargh wrote:4 steals and 5 blocks in 20 minutes just reads like a typo.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:44 am
by Embiid-MVP
Kobblehead wrote:Stanford wrote:You've got to give it to Beal though. If it wasn't for him, they'd be losing by like 30 or something
The worst #1 option in the playoffs. Should be a third banana role where his subpar shotcreating ass belongs.
There's nothing wrong with Beal. That team around him sucks. Even as good as Westbrook is at stat filling .. that team around them sucks harddddd
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:46 am
by cool93
Kobblehead wrote:Stanford wrote:You've got to give it to Beal though. If it wasn't for him, they'd be losing by like 30 or something
The worst #1 option in the playoffs. Should be a third banana role where his subpar shotcreating ass belongs.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:49 am
by Kobblehead
Embiid-MVP wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Stanford wrote:You've got to give it to Beal though. If it wasn't for him, they'd be losing by like 30 or something
The worst #1 option in the playoffs. Should be a third banana role where his subpar shotcreating ass belongs.
There's nothing wrong with Beal. That team around him sucks. Even as good as Westbrook is at stat filling .. that team around them sucks harddddd
The Wizards roster isn't good, but there is something wrong with Beal. He's not a good enough shotcreator to be a #1 option. He's a pseudo-creator, at best. Any offense with a player like him with as high a usage as he has is dead on arrival. It's like having Eric Gordon as a #1 option.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:52 am
by Kobblehead
cool93 wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Stanford wrote:You've got to give it to Beal though. If it wasn't for him, they'd be losing by like 30 or something
The worst #1 option in the playoffs. Should be a third banana role where his subpar shotcreating ass belongs.
PPG don't mean jack, it's about how you get those PPG (unassisted vs. assisted). Didn't you learn that lesson with Evan Fournier? Exposed again in the playoffs as a non-creator. Outright role player on Boston. Putting up ppg on a trash offense is meaningless. Especially when you're heavily assisted. Like Beal, like Fournier.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:59 am
by Tomjas
Beal would be nice on our team but there’s absolutely no way that I trade him for Embiid or Simmons so the prospect is probably DOA
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:02 am
by Murray_17
Kobblehead wrote:PPG don't mean jack,
it's about how you get those PPG (unassisted vs. assisted). Didn't you learn that lesson with Evan Fournier? Exposed again in the playoffs as a non-creator. Outright role player on Boston. Putting up ppg on a trash offense is meaningless. Especially when you're heavily assisted. Like Beal, like Fournier.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:02 am
by stormi
I don't like making one dimensional scorers the focal point of a team I have aspirations of winning anything. Scoring gaudy point totals while taking everyone else around you out of the game is losing basketball.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:03 am
by phillynative
I just dont get this narrative that Beal isnt a good shotcreator.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:05 am
by Kobblehead
Beal is overrated as hell.
Breakdown his traits
C level creator
C level defender
C+ or B- level passer
B+ or A- level shooter
It's a big pile of meh. Overinflated stats because he's been fed assisted buckets in a bad offense.
Given those overinflated stats, his trade value is ridiculously overpriced.
If I'm giving up a big piece and/or a treasure trove of picks, I need a true bonafide creator that can go get his own buckets.
De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, etc. Far better players than Bradley Beal.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:05 am
by DCasey91
Milton is now in the Shadow Realm. Maxey has now overtaken him. Thybulle Love ya but please fix the shot over the summer 35% is all you need that’s it.
Thybulle direct comp - Spider-Man lol that’s the best comp I can come up with he’s absurd on defense.
We are deeeeeeeeeeeeep!
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:08 am
by Kobblehead
phillynative wrote:I just dont get this narrative that Beal isnt a good shotcreator.
44.8% of his buckets inside the arc are assisted! That's trash for a #1 option.
The ace level creators are in the teens. Most allstars are in the 20% and 30% range.
Beal is just not a #1 option. Upjumped shooter being fed assisted buckets. And the Wizards have been a non-threatening offense ever since he's been the man there.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:16 am
by youngcrev
Kobblehead wrote:PPG don't mean jack, it's about how you get those PPG (unassisted vs. assisted). Didn't you learn that lesson with Evan Fournier? Exposed again in the playoffs as a non-creator. Outright role player on Boston. Putting up ppg on a trash offense is meaningless. Especially when you're heavily assisted. Like Beal, like Fournier.
Beal scored more
unassisted points per game this year than Evan Fournier's career high in PPG. They're not the same whatsoever. He's a prolific scorer. What he's not is a guy that creates for others at an elite level.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:23 am
by ProcessDoctor
Outside of a top-15 NBA player in return, I'm not trading Thybulle or Maxey.
Unbelievable night by Thybulle. Maxey makes getting to the rim look effortless and is seemingly improving by the minute.
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:23 am
by Murray_17
Embiid talking to Stanford
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:25 am
by Kobblehead
You laugh because you don't understand. It's okay, I'm going to teach you something.
Assisted inside the arc:
Harden - 16%
Irving - 23%
Harris - 35.8%
Randle - 32.4%
Tatum - 38.3%
Walker - 26.8%
Middleton - 33.3%
Holiday - 33%
Young - 12.5%
Butler - 35.8%
Westbrook - 16.4%
Mitchell - 15%
Lillard - 17%
McCollum - 30.1%
Paul - 8.3%
Booker - 39.4%
George - 27.7%
Leonard - 28.6%
James - 32.7%
Doncic - 9.5%
Morant - 29.4%
Re: Playoffs: First Round Game 2 : (8) Washington Wizards @ (1) Philadelphia 76ers l Wednesday 5/26 l 7:00pm l NBCSP/NBA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:27 am
by Sixerscan
Kobblehead wrote:You laugh because you don't understand. It's okay, I'm going to teach you something.
Assisted inside the arc:
Harden - 16%
Irving - 23%
Harris - 35.8%
Randle - 32.4%
Tatum - 38.3%
Walker - 26.8%
Middleton - 33.3%
Holiday - 33%
Young - 12.5%
Butler - 35.8%
Westbrook - 16.4%
Mitchell - 15%
Lillard - 17%
McCollum - 30.1%
Paul - 8.3%
Booker - 39.4%
George - 27.7%
Leonard - 28.6%
James - 32.7%
Doncic - 9.5%
Morant - 29.4%
I really feel bad for you that you can produce this list...