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Post#281 » by Ferry Avenue » Thu May 27, 2021 1:48 pm

Mik317 wrote:the "problem" with Ben is that it would honestly be easier if he was just pure trash lol.

The fact that he can "coast" off his pure talent is the frustrating part because despite everything logical the fear of trading him and him getting over whatever the **** causes him to hold him self back on another team keeps me up at night lol.

The difficulty with him seems to be that when he has one of his typical low-scoring games, it doesn't register for him as a problem to be addressed because he doesn't have the self-image of a scorer. Consequently you have this huge variation in his scoring because there is nothing within him trying to keep his scoring at an elevated level. If you don't have the self-image of a scorer, then low-scoring games don't bother you like they would bother a true scorer. He needs to realize that his TEAM needs him to score that way, regardless of how he experiences himself individually.
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Post#282 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 27, 2021 2:05 pm

Scotty Brooks appears all-in on munchkins. He refused to play Troy Brown while he was there and now he's refusing to play Chandler Hutchinson.

Like if he thinks Ish and Raul are better, that's fine. But at some point, you gotta look at it from a matchup perspective and try to fix it if it ain't working.
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Post#283 » by Sixerscan » Thu May 27, 2021 2:10 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:This game showed exactly how powerful the Sixers can be when they get the kind of scoring contribution from Simmons that makes the team be able to compete with the best teams in the league. The reason many people are exasperated with Simmons is because they know on some level the team needs him to function the way he did last night for them to be competitive for a championship. It's much better for him to score like he did last night, with efficient shooting, than to pull down 15 rebounds and have 15 assists, with much less scoring, like he did in game 1. Note the difference in the scoreboard between the two games. He's got to bring it like this throughout the playoffs for this team to have a shot.


Well they scored 125 in game 1. Unless you’re saying the way he played offense in game 2 made the defense better. I think the bigger reason for it being a blowout was Embiid was able to play the whole time though.

He should certainly be more aggressive and make his free throws and layups, but I think part of the “issue” in game 1 was he had open lanes to the basket but the Wizards’ defense is so bad that other guys were also open and Ben just gave them the ball instead of scoring himself. Like if you look back I don’t think you’ll see many passed up opportunities by him that didn’t result in a good shot for someone else. And then in the fourth quarter people looked up and saw he had only 6 points and bricked some free throws and decided he played poorly.

The important thing is, when they play good teams, in any given possession they’re probably only going to give him one option between shooting and passing. He has to make the right call in those situations.
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Post#284 » by Mik317 » Thu May 27, 2021 2:11 pm

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Post#285 » by Ferry Avenue » Thu May 27, 2021 2:18 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:This game showed exactly how powerful the Sixers can be when they get the kind of scoring contribution from Simmons that makes the team be able to compete with the best teams in the league. The reason many people are exasperated with Simmons is because they know on some level the team needs him to function the way he did last night for them to be competitive for a championship. It's much better for him to score like he did last night, with efficient shooting, than to pull down 15 rebounds and have 15 assists, with much less scoring, like he did in game 1. Note the difference in the scoreboard between the two games. He's got to bring it like this throughout the playoffs for this team to have a shot.


Well they scored 125 in game 1. Unless you’re saying the way he played offense in game 2 made the defense better. I think the bigger reason for it being a blowout was Embiid was able to play the whole time though.

He should certainly be more aggressive and make his free throws and layups, but I think part of the “issue” in game 1 was he had open lanes to the basket but the Wizards’ defense is so bad that other guys were also open and Ben just gave them the ball instead of scoring himself. Like if you look back I don’t think you’ll see many passed up opportunities by him that didn’t result in a good shot for someone else. And then in the fourth quarter people looked up and saw he had only 6 points and bricked some free throws and decided he played poorly.

The important thing is, when they play good teams, in any given possession they’re probably only going to give him one option between shooting and passing. He has to make the right call in those situations.

They scored 10 more points in the first half last night than they did in the first half of game 1, which translates to a 20-point difference under normal conditions. The rest of the game last night was played largely with subs.

That's exactly the kind of difference in scoring they're going to need to beat the Nets (or Bucks), and that falls squarely on Simmons's shoulders.
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Post#286 » by Sixerscan » Thu May 27, 2021 2:29 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:This game showed exactly how powerful the Sixers can be when they get the kind of scoring contribution from Simmons that makes the team be able to compete with the best teams in the league. The reason many people are exasperated with Simmons is because they know on some level the team needs him to function the way he did last night for them to be competitive for a championship. It's much better for him to score like he did last night, with efficient shooting, than to pull down 15 rebounds and have 15 assists, with much less scoring, like he did in game 1. Note the difference in the scoreboard between the two games. He's got to bring it like this throughout the playoffs for this team to have a shot.


Well they scored 125 in game 1. Unless you’re saying the way he played offense in game 2 made the defense better. I think the bigger reason for it being a blowout was Embiid was able to play the whole time though.

He should certainly be more aggressive and make his free throws and layups, but I think part of the “issue” in game 1 was he had open lanes to the basket but the Wizards’ defense is so bad that other guys were also open and Ben just gave them the ball instead of scoring himself. Like if you look back I don’t think you’ll see many passed up opportunities by him that didn’t result in a good shot for someone else. And then in the fourth quarter people looked up and saw he had only 6 points and bricked some free throws and decided he played poorly.

The important thing is, when they play good teams, in any given possession they’re probably only going to give him one option between shooting and passing. He has to make the right call in those situations.

They scored 10 more points in the first half last night than they did in the first half of game 1, which translates to a 20-point difference under normal conditions. The rest of the game last night was played largely with subs.


Yeah and Embiid played 18 minutes in the first half instead of 10.

The thing about the third quarter is just wrong, the starters played their normal minutes last night up until the fourth besides Curry getting hurt. Embiid came out with 3 minutes left in the third.

By removing the third quarter of game 1 you’re also conveniently removing a quarter where they scored 38 and Simmons was probably the best player on the court despite scoring 2 points.

There are certainly times where he needs to be more aggressive but people getting mad about him for how he played in game 1 does in some way lend credence to the fact that they aren’t really evaluating his play and are instead just looking at how many points he had and how he bricked those free throws. It is a legitimate concept that someone can drive successful offense without necessarily scoring points themselves.
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Post#287 » by Ferry Avenue » Thu May 27, 2021 2:38 pm

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Well they scored 125 in game 1. Unless you’re saying the way he played offense in game 2 made the defense better. I think the bigger reason for it being a blowout was Embiid was able to play the whole time though.

He should certainly be more aggressive and make his free throws and layups, but I think part of the “issue” in game 1 was he had open lanes to the basket but the Wizards’ defense is so bad that other guys were also open and Ben just gave them the ball instead of scoring himself. Like if you look back I don’t think you’ll see many passed up opportunities by him that didn’t result in a good shot for someone else. And then in the fourth quarter people looked up and saw he had only 6 points and bricked some free throws and decided he played poorly.

The important thing is, when they play good teams, in any given possession they’re probably only going to give him one option between shooting and passing. He has to make the right call in those situations.

They scored 10 more points in the first half last night than they did in the first half of game 1, which translates to a 20-point difference under normal conditions. The rest of the game last night was played largely with subs.


Yeah and Embiid played 18 minutes in the first half instead of 10.

The thing about the third quarter is just wrong, the starters played their normal minutes last night up until the fourth besides Curry getting hurt. Embiid came out with 3 minutes left in the third.

By removing the third quarter of game 1 you’re also conveniently removing a quarter where they scored 38 and Simmons was probably the best player on the court despite scoring 2 points.

There are certainly times where he needs to be more aggressive but people getting mad about him for how he played in game 1 does in some way lend credence to the fact that they aren’t really evaluating his play and are instead just looking at how many points he had and how he bricked those free throws. It is a legitimate concept that someone can drive successful offense without necessarily scoring points themselves.

I'm evaluating his play within the context of what his team needs to beat the best teams in the league and win a championship. I don't give a crap about anything different from that. If the team had another scorer in addition to Embiid and Harris, then the team could afford for Simmons to play the way he does typically, but it doesn't. It's far less about Simmons himself, and more about what this particular team needs from Simmons to win a championship, given what they have alongside Simmons at present.

You don't have to take people on in their evaluation of Simmons to acknowledge that the team the way it's constructed at the present time needs for Simmons to score more to win a championship. The evaluation of Simmons as an individual player is in some sense irrelevant in that regard -- it's what the 2021 Sixers per se need from Simmons.

The 2022 Sixers might not need that from Simmons, but the 2021 Sixers do.
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Post#288 » by Sixerscan » Thu May 27, 2021 2:59 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:They scored 10 more points in the first half last night than they did in the first half of game 1, which translates to a 20-point difference under normal conditions. The rest of the game last night was played largely with subs.


Yeah and Embiid played 18 minutes in the first half instead of 10.

The thing about the third quarter is just wrong, the starters played their normal minutes last night up until the fourth besides Curry getting hurt. Embiid came out with 3 minutes left in the third.

By removing the third quarter of game 1 you’re also conveniently removing a quarter where they scored 38 and Simmons was probably the best player on the court despite scoring 2 points.

There are certainly times where he needs to be more aggressive but people getting mad about him for how he played in game 1 does in some way lend credence to the fact that they aren’t really evaluating his play and are instead just looking at how many points he had and how he bricked those free throws. It is a legitimate concept that someone can drive successful offense without necessarily scoring points themselves.

I'm evaluating his play within the context of what his team needs to beat the best teams in the league and win a championship. I don't give a crap about anything different from that. If the team had another scorer in addition to Embiid and Harris, then the team could afford for Simmons to play the way he does typically, but it doesn't. It's far less about Simmons himself, and more about what this particular team needs from Simmons to win a championship, given what they have alongside Simmons at present.

You don't have to take people on in their evaluation of Simmons to acknowledge that the team the way it's constructed at the present time needs for Simmons to score more to win a championship. The evaluation of Simmons as an individual player is in some sense irrelevant in that regard -- it's what the 2021 Sixers per se need from Simmons.

The 2022 Sixers might not need that from Simmons, but the 2021 Sixers do.


My point is you don’t need him to score a lot if the reason he’s not scoring is because he’s too busy feeding wide open shooters, which is what was happening in that Wizards game. Points are points regardless of who is scoring them.

It’s a completely different conversation when there aren’t open shooters and he has a matchup advantage.
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Post#291 » by Negrodamus » Thu May 27, 2021 3:31 pm



If he can get some consistency on his shot, he's no question the starter next year. Even if he doesn't and plays like this on offense (solid vision, ability to attack the basket, finish a bit at the rim), he should start. The first season he's avg 25-30 mpg, he's DPOY. His speed and anticipation is unlike anything I've seen on defense.
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Post#292 » by Ferry Avenue » Thu May 27, 2021 3:59 pm

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Yeah and Embiid played 18 minutes in the first half instead of 10.

The thing about the third quarter is just wrong, the starters played their normal minutes last night up until the fourth besides Curry getting hurt. Embiid came out with 3 minutes left in the third.

By removing the third quarter of game 1 you’re also conveniently removing a quarter where they scored 38 and Simmons was probably the best player on the court despite scoring 2 points.

There are certainly times where he needs to be more aggressive but people getting mad about him for how he played in game 1 does in some way lend credence to the fact that they aren’t really evaluating his play and are instead just looking at how many points he had and how he bricked those free throws. It is a legitimate concept that someone can drive successful offense without necessarily scoring points themselves.

I'm evaluating his play within the context of what his team needs to beat the best teams in the league and win a championship. I don't give a crap about anything different from that. If the team had another scorer in addition to Embiid and Harris, then the team could afford for Simmons to play the way he does typically, but it doesn't. It's far less about Simmons himself, and more about what this particular team needs from Simmons to win a championship, given what they have alongside Simmons at present.

You don't have to take people on in their evaluation of Simmons to acknowledge that the team the way it's constructed at the present time needs for Simmons to score more to win a championship. The evaluation of Simmons as an individual player is in some sense irrelevant in that regard -- it's what the 2021 Sixers per se need from Simmons.

The 2022 Sixers might not need that from Simmons, but the 2021 Sixers do.


My point is you don’t need him to score a lot if the reason he’s not scoring is because he’s too busy feeding wide open shooters, which is what was happening in that Wizards game. Points are points regardless of who is scoring them.

It’s a completely different conversation when there aren’t open shooters and he has a matchup advantage.

OK I can live with that. So we need either points or assists. If there is a low number of both, we have a major problem.
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Post#293 » by Ferry Avenue » Thu May 27, 2021 4:03 pm

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If he can get some consistency on his shot, he's no question the starter next year. Even if he doesn't and plays like this on offense (solid vision, ability to attack the basket, finish a bit at the rim), he should start. The first season he's avg 25-30 mpg, he's DPOY. His speed and anticipation is unlike anything I've seen on defense.

If that possession with the shot clock violation by Washington can become their playoffs defensive identity, they have a shot to win it all this season.
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Post#294 » by blargh » Thu May 27, 2021 5:05 pm

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Mr Westbrook was also given the option to hit him with a pie in the face. That fell apart due to debate over type of pie.


The bigger debate is would Westbrook actually be able to hit the target.

Seriously though, this is the right thing by the Sixers org.
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Post#295 » by 76ciology » Thu May 27, 2021 5:29 pm

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76ciology wrote:First off, been saying since after g1 that Scott Brooks is making a big mistake by putting Beal on Ben. It’s Hachimura who should be on Ben. Beal isnt even defending because aside from a size disadvantage, he has to conserve energy and fouls carry their offense.

Wiz lose this simply because they don’t have any options on offense than Beal. It wasn’t until the 2nd half when the Wiz had to rely on Beal on offense in G1. This game, they had to rely on Beal from the first half.

While Sixers win this because they don’t even need to rely on Embiid on offense. Ben was carrying the offense in the first quarter. Even Biid seems bored (in a good way) that he had to space the floor for Ben to operate.

If Scott Brooks’ game plan is to beat the Sixers by letting other players outside Embiid on beating them, then put Hachimura on Ben. That’s hitting two birds with one stone, while Hachimura is also the biggest player outside their center who can provide help defense in the paint.

Wiz is basically what the Nets is if you replace Westbrook with Harden and Hachimura with KD. Big difference. So imagine having two more players as potent or more potent than Beal. But in the end, I still think we can beat the Nets that is if Ben and Tobi can also score against a defense as weak as this.

Nevertheless, great game by our team. From Doc to everyone and it’s nice to see how GHill has some gas left in his tank.


But then Harris has a massive size advantage on whoever...

I’m not sure if there really is a right answer. There’s a reason 8 seeds rarely beat 1 seeds.


I could be wrong.

Im not denying Wiz is inferior. But I just dont agree putting Beal on Ben and here are my reasons.

- better to have 2 threats than 3 threats. And its not like Hachimura is doing a good job on Tobi.
- Sixers dont even had to rely on their top 2 scorers for offense to outscore the Wiz. Sixers could just keep dumping the ball to ben on high points per shot attempts against a mismatch. Unless Brook’s strategy is for Sixers to beat them with Ben’s scoring
- having hachimura on Tobi prevents those Orebs and second chances Ben gets. Wiz does not only have to limit Biid and Tobi, but they are at risk for second opportunities with Ben at the paint against a smaller defender.
- allows Hachimura to be a secondary rim protector against To make it tough for Biid and Tobi to score on their drives with Hachimura having the size to protect the rim (not saying he is good but its their best shot).
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Post#296 » by Negrodamus » Thu May 27, 2021 5:47 pm

Hey guys at least one of our fans didn’t spit on Russ like the Knicks fan! Spit won’t kill you! It’s just a competitive environment, amirite!

100% there should be retribution for doing anything other than yelling to players and banning them is the absolute bare minimum.
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Post#297 » by 76thBearCub » Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm

If we agree popcorn guy should get his ass kicked by Westbrook what happens to this guy? Trae stabs him in the liver with a rusty dagger?


Trae should have pressed charges imo.
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Post#298 » by M2J » Thu May 27, 2021 6:28 pm

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:First off, been saying since after g1 that Scott Brooks is making a big mistake by putting Beal on Ben. It’s Hachimura who should be on Ben. Beal isnt even defending because aside from a size disadvantage, he has to conserve energy and fouls carry their offense.

Wiz lose this simply because they don’t have any options on offense than Beal. It wasn’t until the 2nd half when the Wiz had to rely on Beal on offense in G1. This game, they had to rely on Beal from the first half.

While Sixers win this because they don’t even need to rely on Embiid on offense. Ben was carrying the offense in the first quarter. Even Biid seems bored (in a good way) that he had to space the floor for Ben to operate.

If Scott Brooks’ game plan is to beat the Sixers by letting other players outside Embiid on beating them, then put Hachimura on Ben. That’s hitting two birds with one stone, while Hachimura is also the biggest player outside their center who can provide help defense in the paint.

Wiz is basically what the Nets is if you replace Westbrook with Harden and Hachimura with KD. Big difference. So imagine having two more players as potent or more potent than Beal. But in the end, I still think we can beat the Nets that is if Ben and Tobi can also score against a defense as weak as this.

Nevertheless, great game by our team. From Doc to everyone and it’s nice to see how GHill has some gas left in his tank.


But then Harris has a massive size advantage on whoever...

I’m not sure if there really is a right answer. There’s a reason 8 seeds rarely beat 1 seeds.


I could be wrong.

Im not denying Wiz is inferior. But I just dont agree putting Beal on Ben and here are my reasons.

- better to have 2 threats than 3 threats. And its not like Hachimura is doing a good job on Tobi.
- Sixers dont even had to rely on their top 2 scorers for offense to outscore the Wiz. Sixers could just keep dumping the ball to ben on high points per shot attempts against a mismatch. Unless Brook’s strategy is for Sixers to beat them with Ben’s scoring
- having hachimura on Tobi prevents those Orebs and second chances Ben gets. Wiz does not only have to limit Biid and Tobi, but they are at risk for second opportunities with Ben at the paint against a smaller defender.
- allows Hachimura to be a secondary rim protector against To make it tough for Biid and Tobi to score on their drives with Hachimura having the size to protect the rim (not saying he is good but its their best shot).



But a real scorer in Tobi, that's going to be aggressive scoring the ball regardless, has a better chance of putting Beal or Westbrook in foul trouble, and scoring even easier. Better teams will try to hide some one on Ben and have the team build a wall in transition. Bottom line is.... As we've seen before against elite teams, if Ben is aggressive... He's elite.

I like him as game 1 Ben, where he's an aggressive playmaker and pace setter. But, be can clearly add in scoring too.
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Post#299 » by Negrodamus » Thu May 27, 2021 7:26 pm

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Post#300 » by XtremeDunkz » Thu May 27, 2021 8:51 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Hey guys at least one of our fans didn’t spit on Russ like the Knicks fan! Spit won’t kill you! It’s just a competitive environment, amirite!

100% there should be retribution for doing anything other than yelling to players and banning them is the absolute bare minimum.
Lol this is just ridiculous. Listen to yourself. Minimum wage workers are abused by the public daily and they have to take it in order to pay their bills. I think the guys making 20 million a year will survive if some popcorn fell on them.

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