Joel Embiid Trade Thread

[yuuby]

What is the best package we can get for Embiid if we decide to sell high this summer?

- He has 2 years 64 million left on his deal for his age 28 and 29 seasons

- He has foot concerns from an injury that kept him out for 2 full seasons.

- He has a bad left knee that has caused him to miss multiple games in each season since he got a meniscus tear that he got a meniscus trim surgery on.

- He likely now has a bad right knee due to the meniscus injury that he just suffered recently which he probably needs to get fixed and will likely have knee problems on.

- He has back issues since his NCAA days that caused him to miss multiple games each season.

- He misses 20+ games a season even when he is healthy.

- His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs either due to style or injury or both.

- He finished 2nd in MVP voting and was the 2nd team all nba center for the 3rd time in 4 years.

- He expects to get paid the supermax by the 76ers this summer (4 years 190+ million) or the regular max in 2023 by another team (5 years 205 million with bird rights or 4 years 165 million with cap space by non bird team).


Here is Embiid's playoff resume:

2018 lost 4-1 to the wounded Celtics where he was outplayed by Rozier, Tatum and Horford.

2019 lost 4-3 to the Raptors where he was outplayed by Butler, Siakam and Kawhi. Where he chocked (2-7, 11pts) in a pivotal game 4 when we could have gone up 3-1 and blamed it on a tummy ache.

2020 lost 4-0 to the Celtics where he was outplayed by Tatum, Brown and Kemba and was a turnover machine even though Simmons didn't play. He had a 0.3 assist to turnover ratio in this series.

2021 lost 4-3 to the Hawks where he was outplayed by a no defense midget who some said was going to be exposed in the playoffs. Embiid chocked in a pivotal game 4 (0-12 in the second half and missed the game winner) where we could have gone up 3-1.

Embiid is just as fraudulent in the playoffs against real teams (aka not the 2018 Heat, 2019 Nets and 2021 Wizards) as Simmons is yet gets non of the blame.


My hope is the Paul George package OKC got which was a promising rookie + 4 unprotected picks + a lottery protected pick + 2 swaps.

That probably wont happen now but in general I think his trade value is at Fox and Shai levels due to injury concerns and the fact that he isnt a top 10 player in the playoffs and was never the best player in a playoff series outside of playing joke teams in the first round (2018 heat, 2019 nets, 2021 wizards).

[sixers hoops]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

[yuuby]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

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Still young, playoff losses happen. I wouldn't give up on either of them.

[sixers hoops]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

There are a lot of reports that Ben will be traded, so that thread makes sense as we will get too many posts to keep within the fantasy trade thread.

I don’t know that we need a Tobias thread either, but he is likely much more likely to be traded than Jo I would imagine.

However, as I said, if there is interest in the topic, I will keep it open. I feel like most of the fanbase knows Jo isn’t going to be traded so they are going to look for Joel trades. However, I don’t want to decide if the topic interests others, so we will see.

[syntax]

Some kind of deal for KAT?

You would of course trade him for AD but the Lakers wouldn't.

[Mik317]

bait thread.

but any Embiid trade does not make us better in any short term so it will be the signal for a rebuild. You aren't getting a star in return for him. In fact most stars are often traded for packages of picks and prospects. So thats the general starting point....and even then with all of the above, the reasons you are trading him will be known to all. Its why it is a pointless subject atm. Ben flamed out hard. Tobias is not worth his contract. Those guys being moved make sense. Trading Embiid because he MIGHT fall off in a few seasons is simply not something that happens. People cry about Yao but they ignore the fact that he got ran into the ground by China, was much bigger than Embiid and medical science is waaay different nowadays...and Morey and team still stuck by him despite that. Bynum was over basketball and thus never really tried to come back after getting the bag. Oden's mental state got hit hard thanks to KD blossoming. Embiid is motivated at the very least by his son so even if his body falls apart dude will be out there and probably useful.

I feel like the angst over him would have more weight if he didn't play at all. He played and played well. Ran out of juice for sure and that needs to improve but if he had actual running mates, that problem doesn't exist IMO. Dude has come back every year and gotten better. Like even him going through the motions last season; he added something. Yall want to trade him for Towns who has stagnated and hasn't shown the ability to drag his team anywhere...and yet people think trading for him to "unlock" Ben is the wave? I agree that Embiid cannot be the only source of offense. I also think he can lose some weight. I think he needs to be better passing the ball. I think he also needs to shoot more 3s; **** Shaq. He is not flawless and blameless....but he is super far down the list. I was on team fire Brett because it was time and wanted to see Ben with a new voice. Until I see Embiid with a real shot creator; I don't even want to hear about the idea of trading him lol. The one time we got even a version of that; we lost on an all time shot against the future champs. And that was against his Father Mr. Gasol ffs.

but to each their own. Trade Embiid so we can process again I guess. Hopefully he wins a chip elsewhere to make it even more miserable lol.

[eyeatoma]

Why do we have this thread??? Can we just keep it in the fantasy threads, or in the Embiid thread? This is ridiculous. It was already locked once and this guy is doing it again.

[eyeatoma]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

There are a lot of reports that Ben will be traded, so that thread makes sense as we will get too many posts to keep within the fantasy trade thread.

I don’t know that we need a Tobias thread either, but he is likely much more likely to be traded than Jo I would imagine.

However, as I said, if there is interest in the topic, I will keep it open. I feel like most of the fanbase knows Jo isn’t going to be traded so they are going to look for Joel trades. However, I don’t want to decide if the topic interests others, so we will see.

Can't it be in the fantasy thread? Clearly this is a fantasy. The only ones interested are the Ben stans anyway lol.

[Tomjas]

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

There are a lot of reports that Ben will be traded, so that thread makes sense as we will get too many posts to keep within the fantasy trade thread.

I don’t know that we need a Tobias thread either, but he is likely much more likely to be traded than Jo I would imagine.

However, as I said, if there is interest in the topic, I will keep it open. I feel like most of the fanbase knows Jo isn’t going to be traded so they are going to look for Joel trades. However, I don’t want to decide if the topic interests others, so we will see.

Can't it be in the fantasy thread? Clearly this is a fantasy. The only ones interested are the Ben stans anyway lol.

OP wants both traded

[Black Mage]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

Because neither Simmons nor Tobias played at an MVP level and both came up small down the stretch. The team, under Morey, has focused on building around Embiid. Regardless of his injury risk, he's the foundation. That's why a trade thread for him is silly.

[DCasey91]

If the finals is anything to go by the trio should all be gone over the next seasons. As much as that pains me to say it.

I’m not big fan of analytics but I like value. The value is on the other side of the coin imo without Embiid because the “paper assets” there’s a high chance we won’t get the ideal outcome. Add in the durability it’s not going to look pretty to me unless there’s a 5 year direct plan in place.

Our market as a shop is pretty comprised so sell high and get where the getting’s good. There’s actually a better circumstance to having Lillard over Embiid as the supermax overpay.

[DCasey91]

Bucks just maxed a longer Bledsoe lol exact same splits. We’ve done it as well. The answer... don’t. Let them walk.

[syntax]

Not sure he needs his own trade thread, since the team is HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely to trade him. I don’t want to make a decision to lock this if there is any real discussion to be had, but this will likely deteriorate into something other than joel trades pretty quickly.

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

Because neither Simmons nor Tobias played at an MVP level and both came up small down the stretch. The team, under Morey, has focused on building around Embiid. Regardless of his injury risk, he's the foundation. That's why a trade thread for him is silly.

He hasn't extended Embiid yet how would you know this? They don't even know what his knee looks like.

[yuuby]

Why are Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons trade threads ok when we are likely not going to get anything of value back for them with their albatross contracts but trading our best asset isn't allowed to have a thread.

The 76ers need to make a big decision on Embiid this summer. They either have to supermax him or trade him. I think a trade embiid thread is very appropriate.

Because neither Simmons nor Tobias played at an MVP level and both came up small down the stretch. The team, under Morey, has focused on building around Embiid. Regardless of his injury risk, he's the foundation. That's why a trade thread for him is silly.

He hasn't extended Embiid yet how would you know this? They don't even know what his knee looks like.

Also Embiid just fired his agency CAA right after the playoffs per Keith Pompey. You don't do that if you like what you are hearing in extension talks.

[yuuby]

If the finals is anything to go by the trio should all be gone over the next seasons. As much as that pains me to say it.

I’m not big fan of analytics but I like value. The value is on the other side of the coin imo without Embiid because the “paper assets” there’s a high chance we won’t get the ideal outcome. Add in the durability it’s not going to look pretty to me unless there’s a 5 year direct plan in place.

Our market as a shop is pretty comprised so sell high and get where the getting’s good. There’s actually a better circumstance to having Lillard over Embiid as the supermax overpay.

Thank you for joining the dark side.

I want all three traded as well (most agree with Tobias and Ben being traded so I don't discuss that much). I just think to maximize return the sequencing of events needs to be:

- trade Embiid while his value is highest is this summer and don't sign him to the supermax (this trade cannot be delayed because otherwise you would have to have paid him the supermax to stay).

- inflate the raw stats of simmons and tobias by playing a run and gun style with them at the 4 and 5 next season (who cares about defense)

- trade them when they rehab their value for more modern players in the 2021 offseason

[DCasey91]

Guys would you do Ingram + Banchero + a solid player (Hart/Ball)?

Yes yes I would. Love the big guy but this is high a level move which brings you out ahead. But as I said before the two bigger problems (Harris, Ben) must take precedence before talk about Embiid begins.

It’s such an iffy timeline. Sell now and get the literal farm or sell a year from now and get a lot less.

[syntax]

Guys would you do Ingram + Banchero + a solid player (Hart/Ball)?

Yes yes I would. Love the big guy but this is high level move which brings you out ahead. But as I said before the two bigger problems (Harris, Ben) must take precedence before talk about Embiid begins.

It’s such an iffy timeline. Sell now and get the literal farm or sell a year from now and get a lot less.

Ingram is basically a better shooting Harris and he's paid until 2024/25. I can't see it happening.

[DCasey91]

If the finals is anything to go by the trio should all be gone over the next seasons. As much as that pains me to say it.

I’m not big fan of analytics but I like value. The value is on the other side of the coin imo without Embiid because the “paper assets” there’s a high chance we won’t get the ideal outcome. Add in the durability it’s not going to look pretty to me unless there’s a 5 year direct plan in place.

Our market as a shop is pretty comprised so sell high and get where the getting’s good. There’s actually a better circumstance to having Lillard over Embiid as the supermax overpay.

Thank you for joining the dark side.

I want all three traded as well (most agree with Tobias and Ben being traded so I don't discuss that much). I just think to maximize return the sequencing of events needs to be:

- trade Embiid while his value is highest is this summer and don't sign him to the supermax (this trade cannot be delayed because otherwise you would have to have paid him the supermax to stay).

- inflate the raw stats of simmons and tobias by playing a run and gun style with them at the 4 and 5 next season (who cares about defense)

- trade them when they rehab their value for more modern players in the 2021 offseason

Haha thanks! I’ve come to this conclusion too.

Realistically speaking if you had the proverbial best team that you can possibly put around Embiid not some fairy land stuff for these two years how good are actually your chances of winning it?

I used to play poker at a + return and my career for over a decade is literally based on value. My logic says god no.

Lowry/CJ or Lowry/Derozan or Ingram/Lowry? It’s a setup for a big financial failure down the road. Your are still in a cap stronghold. Ingram makes perfect sense as the Ben swap.

But say the market is good for Ben and unbelievable for Embiid because of the two years left.

Essentially I’ll be honest next year is the last year to push all the chips in and hope for the outcome that is intended.

Embiid ain’t going to be Garnett/Duncan lvl of durability we all know that. We all love him and I’m sad this is even brought up because the front office hasn’t done anywhere near it’s due and rightful diligence from the jump.

[DCasey91]

Guys would you do Ingram + Banchero + a solid player (Hart/Ball)?

Yes yes I would. Love the big guy but this is high level move which brings you out ahead. But as I said before the two bigger problems (Harris, Ben) must take precedence before talk about Embiid begins.

It’s such an iffy timeline. Sell now and get the literal farm or sell a year from now and get a lot less.

Ingram is basically a better shooting Harris and he's paid until 2024/25. I can't see it happening.

Ingram is longer already shown to be a pseudo ball-handler, is 23, getting paid less per year then Harris, and already better then Harris will ever be.

I mean buy low/sell high it’s pretty good for us. Ben is trending down year to year, Harris is negligible whichever way you look at it as he can never reach anywhere near his contract value. I mean top 15 money? Was stupid then and it’s stupid now.