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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#61 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:14 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:My thing with Abmas is that he's listed at 6'1" 165. Meaning he's probably going to measure and weigh in at like 5'11" 155 at the combine. He's a tiny kid.


I could be wrong but he is also playing in a weak conference right?

Oh, for sure.

Out of the 31 conferences that played last year, the Summit League finished 29th in win percentage. The competition Abmas played on a nightly basis was hot garbage.

That said, to his credit, he was dominant against the strong competition he played on the tourney run. Look at his games against Ohio State, Florida, and Arkansas.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/max-abmas-1/gamelog/2021
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#62 » by DCasey91 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:52 pm

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76ciology wrote:And looking back, reminded me how good Zeller looked as a prospect.


Yeah, I think Zeller still holds up as a prospect on paper.

I think him being a disappointment is more due to his own lack of development as opposed to a scouting whiff.

He never developed his once-promising perimeter skills, offensively. He was a 75% free throw shooter and never developed a three point shot. Also, he had the high post isolating ability to play on the ball but never developed passing ability.

And then once they stuck him at the 5, he was a lost-cause because he never projected to be able to protect the rim.

It's funny how Zeller and Vonleh (both Indiana PF) both busted for the same reasons. Lack of perimeter skill development to play PF so they were relegated to the 5, where their rim protection woes rendered them ineffective.

I guess the lessons learned here are to not try project offense development on prospects that aren't good defenders.


I think he would have been a very good player if he played for Brad Stevens. He’s the type of C that Stevens like to use. Mobile, high IQ, plays defense and stretch the floor.

I dont think he was maxed out at Hornets playing alongside Kemba.

Drafting him that high is another example of blindly just looking at the numbers over basketball trend. I have him as third tier among class of draft prospects.


I do wonder if Zeller played predominantly at the 4. Say a discount Pau Gasol.

He has everything that you want out of a prospect. High maturity, High IQ, very promising offensive output, great years at a class college. Second Best performing big and was fully fit instead of injured.

As question marks there’s not a lot there (Tweener?) but tweeners can work at the 4.

Maybe the don’t take bigs high is true.

... If only Abmas was 6”2 ish 170+ . Man he looks like a kid in College. He’s short and he’s small both things are no good.

It says 6”1” 165 but I bet that’s with shoes on and being generous to his weight. He’s very very small

Still he can offense as good as any in College. Was like a mini Curry lol.

Thing is with Abmas say he lives in a gym for 6 months and adds on 20 pounds.... could he be a viable NBA player? His body type doesn’t have the natural “strength” or bulk, to put on the extra pounds so it’s take longer than usual.

Genetics be damned!
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#63 » by DCasey91 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:06 pm



Tiny is an understatement. Man if he was actually average PG size he would go top 5ish last year I reckon.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#64 » by Kobblehead » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:58 pm

Thoughts on Jaden Shackelford?

I really like him. I think he can be everything Doron Lamb was supposed to be.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#65 » by DCasey91 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:03 pm

Jaden’s had 2 years in a good college system. Maybe scouts don’t buy his shooting? Sub TS%. Is a low assist guy. That’s the risk here. He looks good on tape, I don’t know if it’s a bad thing but he looks like a taller left handed Springer.

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