Sixers waive George Hill

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[Sportfan73]

Trying to get full MLE

[sixers hoops]

Yeah. I don’t know the CBA like I used to, but I believe the sixers are trying to used the full midlevel but stay under the tax here. However, I assume they had the full taxpayer midlevel available to them either way?

[Skates]

They did but couldn’t use all of it without being hard capped at the apron, so effectively had only the taxpayer MLE equivalent. This should give them more flexibility, apparently no trade market for Hill at his full guarantee.

[wickedwrister]

I thought the whole point of overpaying for Hill at the deadline was his contract for this upcoming year to use in salary matching deals

[76ciology]

Hey, I still want Morey. I still think he can be better.

This is just discussion.

When you’re playing from behind, you can’t make these bad moves.

Sure, be lose his balance after not landing Harden. But you should just stay calm and weather the storm.

We should have just hold unto Al. Give him D12’s minutes.
Then find some PG with the money we gave D12’s money.

If signing Al was a bad move, then doubling down by trading him and a pick for cap space then later trading Bradley, Ferguson and a couple of 2nd round picks for George Hill was just a mistake.

With D12’s money, we likely could get better guards than Ghill out there.

Maybe hold unto Al and then trade Al for Kemba instead?

Like I said, this is just discussion. Everyone makes mistakes nobody is perfect.

Nothing is final, everything can make sense with just a future move

[76ciology]

A run it back scenario likely needs George Hill as a trade filler to acquire a “bridge player”. A bridge player for me is a 16-18ppg perimeter scorer. It could be a PnR pointguard for you.

[Murray_17]

How can you give Dwight's minutes to Hill, one is a center and the other a PG.

Dwight was at the minimum and was a free agent, guards are expensive, there is no way you could have got an average guard on the rotation with that money.

I thought the whole point of overpaying for Hill at the deadline was his contract for this upcoming year to use in salary matching deals

The issue right now, i think, it's that there are no much expirings to deal out there. With this move we basically unloaded all the money of the Horford deal.

If we really plan to trade Ben, we already have a max contract to unload

[76ciology]

How can you give Dwight's minutes to Hill, one is a center and the other a PG.

We should have just hold unto Al. Give him D12’s minutes.
Then find some PG with the money we gave D12’s money

Al is a center. Give him (Al) D12’s minutes.

Guard is expensive. But a guard as bad as George Hill isnt worth a couple of second rounder and arguably a better center in Bradley for D12.

For instance Bucks got Jeff Teague for nothing.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31160135/sources-milwaukee-bucks-picking-reserve-guard-jeff-teague

[Murray_17]

For starters Jeff Teague wasn't even in the Bucks rotation. He only got some minutes in the playoffs because of the Divicenzo injury.

The Horford trade got us Danny Green, by holding on Horford and giving him Dwight minutes you're paying him almost 28 millions to play 12-13 minutes. That's just crazy

[76ciology]

For starters Jeff Teague wasn't even in the Bucks rotation. He only got some minutes in the playoffs because of the Divicenzo injury.

The Horford trade got us Danny Green, by holding on Horford and giving him Dwight minutes you're paying him almost 28 millions to play 12-13 minutes. That's just crazy

Those 12-13 minutes are important.

If you look at the numbers those 12-13 are why we’re losing games.

If you had Al instead of D12, we might have won that Hawks series. D12 was toxic playing off the bench specially in G6.

Yeah overpaid, i also agree with that. But its not your money. And until Morey surprises us with a better talent than Al with that MLE then its not a good for me.

again this is subjective and is relative to time.

[Kolkmania]

For starters Jeff Teague wasn't even in the Bucks rotation. He only got some minutes in the playoffs because of the Divicenzo injury.

The Horford trade got us Danny Green, by holding on Horford and giving him Dwight minutes you're paying him almost 28 millions to play 12-13 minutes. That's just crazy

Those 12-13 minutes are important.

If you look at the numbers those 12-13 are why we’re losing games.

If you had Al instead of D12, we might have won that Hawks series. D12 was toxic playing off the bench specially in G6.

Yeah overpaid, i also agree with that. But its not your money. And until Morey surprises us with a better talent than Al with that MLE then its not a good for me.

again this is subjective and is relative to time.

People assign the backup center spot (and there have been some questionable assignments) as the main issue for the massive point differential with Embiid on and off the court, but that's unfair in my opinion due to Embiid's uniqueness. Aside from the defense he is basically the only person on this roster who is able to create shots in the halfcourt.

Having Al Horford on the court does not solve that issue at all. We lack a dynamic shot creator and we won't achieve anything significant until we acquired/developed one.
Spending 27 million on a backup center (albeit a good one) to play 6-10 minutes in the playoffs is a terrible allocation of money.

[Kolkmania]

Was never a fan of the trade because Hill has been a very passive guard for years now. Ok as a filler on a well-rounded roster, but not someone you can or should give the keys of the offense.

Not guaranteeing his contract is surprising though. Perhaps Maxey's development has opened some opportunities to allocate the 10m to a versatile big forward who can shoot. Not sure who's left after the Jeff Green and PJ Tucker signings. Rudy Gay?

[76ciology]

For starters Jeff Teague wasn't even in the Bucks rotation. He only got some minutes in the playoffs because of the Divicenzo injury.

The Horford trade got us Danny Green, by holding on Horford and giving him Dwight minutes you're paying him almost 28 millions to play 12-13 minutes. That's just crazy

Those 12-13 minutes are important.

If you look at the numbers those 12-13 are why we’re losing games.

If you had Al instead of D12, we might have won that Hawks series. D12 was toxic playing off the bench specially in G6.

Yeah overpaid, i also agree with that. But its not your money. And until Morey surprises us with a better talent than Al with that MLE then its not a good for me.

again this is subjective and is relative to time.

People assign the backup center spot (and there have been some questionable assignments) as the main issue for the massive point differential with Embiid on and off the court, but that's unfair in my opinion due to Embiid's uniqueness. Aside from the defense he is basically the only person on this roster who is able to create shots in the halfcourt.

Having Al Horford on the court does not solve that issue at all. We lack a dynamic shot creator and we won't achieve anything significant until we acquired/developed one.
Spending 27 million on a backup center (albeit a good one) to play 6-10 minutes in the playoffs is a terrible allocation of money.

Yeah, but we’re the Sixers. We have to overpay guys like Tobias Harris, JJ or Al Horford for them to sign with our team. In the FA destination hierarchy we’re on the second to third tier.

Cap space matter. But it matters little for us. History will show you that all the cap space we’re getting are for these rejects like Kenny Thomas, Greg Buckner, Elton Brand and so forth. Even Iguodala wouldnt even want to return to our team (listen his podcast with JJ).

JJ, Tobias and Al Horford is as good as it gets to getting talents with $30+M of money. While Al Horford was able to fill a hole that is desperately needed for the team to win.

Yes, 6-10 mins of playoff allocation. But you’ve see how quick 25 pt leads gets erased during the Hawks series.

You also have seen how uncertain Biid’s status is day to day. And if Biid is playing, which version are you getting?

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612755/lineups-advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

People complain about Fultz trade
People complain about Al

You ask them what the team needs, and they’ll tell you a pick and roll PG and a stretch big.

People complain about not signing Kemba and got Al instead? But do Kemba want to sign here? And did you see that Kemba is a damaged good that Celts even traded a pick just to get Al.

Basically the Celts-OkC Al and kemba deal shows, Al > Kemba.

This is water under the bridge.

And this all could change if Morey can get a talented guy with the MLE he generated with the Al and 2025 1st round pick trade

[Foshan]

Got to say I don’t get this, who is even available still who would chive the full mle too?

[syntax]

Got to say I don’t get this, who is even available still who would chive the full mle too?

Patty Mills.

[76ciology]

Got to say I don’t get this, who is even available still who would chive the full mle too?

Patty Mills.

Hahaha as the weeknd said, i can feel it coming

Morey be in the presser like.. “look how much of a genius Iam, i turned GHill into Patty Mills”

Just kidding guys dont take it seriously

[Foshan]

What about Malik Monk?

Is there anyway we could split it and end up with two solid role guys?

[syntax]

Got to say I don’t get this, who is even available still who would chive the full mle too?

Patty Mills.

Hahaha as the weeknd said, i can feel it coming

Morey be in the presser like.. “look how much of a genius Iam, i turned GHill into Patty Mills”

Just kidding guys dont take it seriously

Patty busy winning gold medals so we'll have to wait.

[blargh]

People complain about Fultz trade
People complain about Al

You ask them what the team needs, and they’ll tell you a pick and roll PG and a stretch big.

People complain about not signing Kemba and got Al instead? But do Kemba want to sign here? And did you see that Kemba is a damaged good that Celts even traded a pick just to get Al.

Basically the Celts-OkC Al and kemba deal shows, Al > Kemba.

I think we want a stretch big to play alongside Embiid with the starters. Which means someone who can guard on the perimeter, which Al can’t do.

With the backup crew, i think we want a PnR big, who can play off Maxey and Shake. Dwight wasn’t a great PnR finisher, but he was better than Horford. And then chemistry-wise, i’m much happier with Dwight’s energizing 12 minutes rather than Horford moping about his role.

Kemba is just flat out washed to me.