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GutUNC wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:

GutUNC wrote:Are ratings down because of Ben Simmons?

No, were ratings down because we were tanking? Did Jerry/Bryan Colangelo fix that solution?

GutUNC wrote:Do you think the union is going to have Ben Simmons fake mental issues as a sticking point in the next CBA?

I think owners will point to this as being a large amount of exposure for something that is considered an extremely complex issue. Can't dismiss players with mental issues since the stigma exists, but players can certainly utilize it to be paid millions and not play for a franchise they don't like.... you know, kind of like what is *allegedly* occurring right now. With multiple players being open about their issues with mental health, it's becoming commonplace to talk about these issues, which is absolutely great. But there are also players like Kawhi, James Harden, Ben, Jimmy, who have tried to push their way out in the past 5 years with some even exaggerating injuries so they would be paid while holding out. Mental health issues becomes this umbrella issue that owners can't touch. Even now, many in the media are calling out Morey for trying to intervene with his treatment.

Imagine if this goes into next summer? Silver is not going to tolerate that. This is the league that vetoed the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers because they didn't like it.

The problem with tanking was idiots in the media like Wilbon acting like it was a new thing and ripping the team for doing it. That actually did bring negative attention to the league, unlike this Simmons situation. Nationally, no one cares about this as anything other then a soap opera topic.

David Stern veoted the Paul trade. He's dead now. That's not a Silver move.

"There is likewise great curiosity about the NBA's potential reaction. Would Commissioner Adam Silver go beyond exerting mere backchannel pressure on Simmons to report and step in to sanction him if he doesn’t? Several league insiders think so, but I’m not so sure. While true that the NBA dreads the idea of training camp holdouts coming back into vogue, like we saw in the early 1990s before the advent of rookie-scale contracts, intervention from the league is not always instant when discipline can come from the team first. The onus will be on the Sixers first to impose fines or a suspension."

elchengue20 wrote:Ben Simmons playing with Zion makes ZERO sense.

If NO gets involved its for sure in a 3 team deal.

Tomjas wrote:

sodmoraes wrote:I may be dumb, but i´m failing to understand ben/rich paul endgame strategy, flashing the "mental health card". In my opinion, it erodes ben´s value even more, making the possibility of a trade harder. Which team will want to trade good players for a broken down player, who maybe will need some time off after the trade, to fix his "mental issues" ? Ben value around the league was already low before his mental problems. After that, he doesnt have value anymore.

We already know Morey won´t trade ben just for the sake of doing it. So now, with his mental health disease, we will get worst trade offers, so Morey will probably never trade him. He will be in philly forever, probably without getting paid( since it seems is just a scam to get paid).

So if rich paul wants ben ou ot Philly, this strategy doesnt seem good. I think they are using this so Ben gets paid. It may work in the short term, but in the long term i think it makes a trade harder to happen. Seems like a shortsighted move, but they are desperate.

My belief is that Ben is actually going through things as none of it makes sense

The guy turned up in Philly unannounced when he obviously didn’t want to be here

He hasn’t hated on the Sixers or his teammates and apparently can’t articulate why he wants out

Basically just random, knee jerk, uncoordinated reactions to get paid

Negrodamus wrote:

GutUNC wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:
No, were ratings down because we were tanking? Did Jerry/Bryan Colangelo fix that solution?



I think owners will point to this as being a large amount of exposure for something that is considered an extremely complex issue. Can't dismiss players with mental issues since the stigma exists, but players can certainly utilize it to be paid millions and not play for a franchise they don't like.... you know, kind of like what is *allegedly* occurring right now. With multiple players being open about their issues with mental health, it's becoming commonplace to talk about these issues, which is absolutely great. But there are also players like Kawhi, James Harden, Ben, Jimmy, who have tried to push their way out in the past 5 years with some even exaggerating injuries so they would be paid while holding out. Mental health issues becomes this umbrella issue that owners can't touch. Even now, many in the media are calling out Morey for trying to intervene with his treatment.

Imagine if this goes into next summer? Silver is not going to tolerate that. This is the league that vetoed the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers because they didn't like it.

The problem with tanking was idiots in the media like Wilbon acting like it was a new thing and ripping the team for doing it. That actually did bring negative attention to the league, unlike this Simmons situation. Nationally, no one cares about this as anything other then a soap opera topic.

David Stern veoted the Paul trade. He's dead now. That's not a Silver move.

This is has a bigger interest than any moment during our tanking seasons.

You're right, Stern is gone, now we have a guy who has intervened in team personnel at least as much as Stern in his short time as commissioner, including removed an owner from his team. To say he wouldn't intervene in something like this is really not looking at Silver's body of work.

Here's a comment by Marc Stein back in Sept:

"There is likewise great curiosity about the NBA's potential reaction. Would Commissioner Adam Silver go beyond exerting mere backchannel pressure on Simmons to report and step in to sanction him if he doesn’t? Several league insiders think so, but I’m not so sure. While true that the NBA dreads the idea of training camp holdouts coming back into vogue, like we saw in the early 1990s before the advent of rookie-scale contracts, intervention from the league is not always instant when discipline can come from the team first. The onus will be on the Sixers first to impose fines or a suspension."

At a certain point, this is going to distract from the season and Silver is going to be annoyed by it. He probably already is.

GutUNC wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:

GutUNC wrote:

The problem with tanking was idiots in the media like Wilbon acting like it was a new thing and ripping the team for doing it. That actually did bring negative attention to the league, unlike this Simmons situation. Nationally, no one cares about this as anything other then a soap opera topic.

David Stern veoted the Paul trade. He's dead now. That's not a Silver move.

This is has a bigger interest than any moment during our tanking seasons.

You're right, Stern is gone, now we have a guy who has intervened in team personnel at least as much as Stern in his short time as commissioner, including removed an owner from his team. To say he wouldn't intervene in something like this is really not looking at Silver's body of work.

Here's a comment by Marc Stein back in Sept:

"There is likewise great curiosity about the NBA's potential reaction. Would Commissioner Adam Silver go beyond exerting mere backchannel pressure on Simmons to report and step in to sanction him if he doesn’t? Several league insiders think so, but I’m not so sure. While true that the NBA dreads the idea of training camp holdouts coming back into vogue, like we saw in the early 1990s before the advent of rookie-scale contracts, intervention from the league is not always instant when discipline can come from the team first. The onus will be on the Sixers first to impose fines or a suspension."

At a certain point, this is going to distract from the season and Silver is going to be annoyed by it. He probably already is.

Removing a racist team owner with the full support of the league and players is not even remotely analogous to forcing a trade that would generate a precedent that would be unanimously negative from team owners, the people Silver works for. If you can't see that difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Negrodamus wrote:

GutUNC wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:
This is has a bigger interest than any moment during our tanking seasons.

You're right, Stern is gone, now we have a guy who has intervened in team personnel at least as much as Stern in his short time as commissioner, including removed an owner from his team. To say he wouldn't intervene in something like this is really not looking at Silver's body of work.

Here's a comment by Marc Stein back in Sept:



At a certain point, this is going to distract from the season and Silver is going to be annoyed by it. He probably already is.

Removing a racist team owner with the full support of the league and players is not even remotely analogous to forcing a trade that would generate a precedent that would be unanimously negative from team owners, the people Silver works for. If you can't see that difference, I don't know what to tell you.

It wasn't intended to be analogous. If you read what I said and comprehended it, the point was to hammer home that Silver has no issue with intervening in something he feels negatively affects the league, which he has shown time and time again.

Negrodamus wrote:

elchengue20 wrote:Ben Simmons playing with Zion makes ZERO sense.

If NO gets involved its for sure in a 3 team deal.

Fox with Zion would actually be extremely fun to watch.

Build a trade around Ben to Kings, Fox to Pelicans, Ingram to Sixers.

We'd probably have to throw something else to the Kings.

Bum Adebayo wrote:I would personally trade Tomjas for nurseryc, I think Tomjas is fool's gold and will only get worse.

elchengue20 wrote:Ben Simmons playing with Zion makes ZERO sense.

If NO gets involved its for sure in a 3 team deal.

Kobblehead wrote:

elchengue20 wrote:Ben Simmons playing with Zion makes ZERO sense.

If NO gets involved its for sure in a 3 team deal.

New Orleans is not in any position to make rational decisions. Their franchise player is a mess that isn't even playing because he's too heavy. Their GM and coach are getting into fights.

Madd Squabbles wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:

elchengue20 wrote:Ben Simmons playing with Zion makes ZERO sense.

If NO gets involved its for sure in a 3 team deal.

Fox with Zion would actually be extremely fun to watch.

Build a trade around Ben to Kings, Fox to Pelicans, Ingram to Sixers.

We'd probably have to throw something else to the Kings.

This trade wouldn't help the Pels though. The Pels need 3 point shooting. Ingram is their best volume 3 point shooter. If Fox played with Fox he would have to be used as a rim runner. Not a fit.

Foshan wrote:With news that Zion is out until december, i think now is a good time to pitch a ben for zion. since ben isn't really playing for us at all, we can survive until dec waiting anyway... ben/ingram start piling up some wins for the Pels.

While the fit with Zion and Embiid might be tough at times, it might motivate us to move Toby for a guard.

Not sure how the money would work, tho i think it's doable.

Tomjas wrote:Going to post this here rather than risk getting banned

Reggie Miller & Charles Barkley said the quiet stuff out aloud tonight

Pros know because they have been in these situations themselves