Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[BullyKing]

We need a place that actually discusses what is going on with Simmons and trade proposals without devolving into pages of discussion about slander, leaking, and whatever.

[BullyKing]

A Kings fan on the trade board posted Simmons and Shake for Fox and Tristan Thompson.

I'm at the point where I'd take that and move on. I feel like in any Simmons/Fox centered deal, the Sixers would ask for a 1st from the Kings and the Kings will think the Sixers should be adding a first. Which probably means a more or less straight up trade is fair.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Hmmmm...Yeah, I mean I guess so. I personally would rather have Haliburton due to Maxey's surge. But it probably doesn't make much sense for the Kings to have both Simmons and Fox together. It's just a bad fit in my opinion. With that said, if we end up with Fox after all of this, it's hard to get mad at that. I like Fox. I liked him a lot more before the season started. My question is how does he fit with Tyrese? Also, is Davion Mitchell an option instead? In what world is Haliburton even a possibility?
I get it, at this point take what we can for Simmons, but I would rather hit up New Orleans and see what the deal was with Ingram if that was even an option.

[thenbaman]

Didn't he say simmons and curry.

[Negrodamus]

I'd imagine the Kings fans are more off of De'Aaron Fox than the powers that be in Sacramento.

[SixthStreet]

If I were the Kings I'd want to pair Simmons with Halliburton. A straight Simmons for Fox swap is good for both parties. It also reduces our salary commitments by $5m annually which while not cap space will help create flexibility in regards to the tax line and may allow us to take on a bit more salary to dump Tobias down the line.

I'm also taking a Halliburton lead package too because I believe in Maxey, as long as a second real asset comes with it in addition to salary ballast. But I don't think that makes much sense for the Kings and I don't see them preferring a Halliburton deal to a Fox swap.

[BullyKing]

Didn't he say simmons and curry.

He did but revised it to Simmons and Milton after some back and forth. I wouldn't do the Curry version but the Milton seems close enough to save face and move on.

[BullyKing]

Hmmmm...Yeah, I mean I guess so. I personally would rather have Haliburton due to Maxey's surge. But it probably doesn't make much sense for the Kings to have both Simmons and Fox together. It's just a bad fit in my opinion. With that said, if we end up with Fox after all of this, it's hard to get mad at that. I like Fox. I liked him a lot more before the season started. My question is how does he fit with Tyrese? Also, is Davion Mitchell an option instead? In what world is Haliburton even a possibility?
I get it, at this point take what we can for Simmons, but I would rather hit up New Orleans and see what the deal was with Ingram if that was even an option.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I do accept that any Simmons trade at this point will involve one of two choices: either we take a crappy, low upside return of role players or we have to take a risk such as a high upside player improving on what they've shown so far in their career. Given that I think Embiid surrounded by even more non-needle moving role players leads us nowhere, I sort of by default favor the second option.

[Samson]

I really don't like The Agent's recent statement.

He's making his move and I wonder if he has had some legal advice from someone who isn't actually a moron like himself. The way he called them out, I am worried he's trying to entrap the Sixers into saying "Well yeah, no, we don't actually believe him ..." - whether they modify that with a "ANYMORE" ... suggesting they believed him initially, and then stopped, or their mind has been changed by his conduct, whatever - I am wondering/worried if that means he'd be able to trot out some CBA/By-Laws/Contract Language/ "loophole" - OHHHH - you called him a Mental Health LIAR, now you HAVE TO PAY HIM and you can't stop!!!

I think some will remember- I was one of his biggest fans and even when the season ended last year, and The Shot Not Taken, I was defending him... just needs to put in the practice and keep pounding... or maybe give up the ball demanding to be *THE* PG, maybe put him at PF or SF/Point Forward like Pippen ... but it just kept getting worse and now between him, The Agent Moron, and LeBiatch, I just can't even.

I really would be interested in knowing how the trade discussions have evolved... are we hanging up over players or is it the picks & pickswaps ... (IE, could we have 'deals in place' that we could accept with certain teams on players, but they're just saying, We're Not Giving You 4 1st Round Picks And Four Pick Swaps, Dude....) I note that Marvin Bagley refused to enter the game the other day.

[SixthStreet]

The Sixers aren't going to give much color on any comment. It's going to be off the record and either a non-statement or a denial of any wrongdoing. They won't be making a misstep that could be used against them in litigation.

[BullyKing]

I really don't like The Agent's recent statement.

He's making his move and I wonder if he has had some legal advice from someone who isn't actually a moron like himself. The way he called them out, I am worried he's trying to entrap the Sixers into saying "Well yeah, no, we don't actually believe him ..." - whether they modify that with a "ANYMORE" ... suggesting they believed him initially, and then stopped, or their mind has been changed by his conduct, whatever - I am wondering/worried if that means he'd be able to trot out some CBA/By-Laws/Contract Language/ "loophole" - OHHHH - you called him a Mental Health LIAR, now you HAVE TO PAY HIM and you can't stop!!!

I think some will remember- I was one of his biggest fans and even when the season ended last year, and The Shot Not Taken, I was defending him... just needs to put in the practice and keep pounding... or maybe give up the ball demanding to be *THE* PG, maybe put him at PF or SF/Point Forward like Pippen ... but it just kept getting worse and now between him, The Agent Moron, and LeBiatch, I just can't even.

I really would be interested in knowing how the trade discussions have evolved... are we hanging up over players or is it the picks & pickswaps ... (IE, could we have 'deals in place' that we could accept with certain teams on players, but they're just saying, We're Not Giving You 4 1st Round Picks And Four Pick Swaps, Dude....) I note that Marvin Bagley refused to enter the game the other day.

Since he presumably didn't get any legal advice before believing that the Sixers would still be obligated to pay Simmons even if he refused to report, I highly doubt he vetted this stuff either.

But in either case, I agree with:

The Sixers aren't going to give much color on any comment. It's going to be off the record and either a non-statement or a denial of any wrongdoing. They won't be making a misstep that could be used against them in litigation.

Any actual public comment from the Sixers has been intentionally generic and supportive.

[Eyeamok]

Yeah the 76ers are not sitting at their computers editing and reediting a response to Paul. I would love to believe that all their correspondence, especially on this matter, goes to a legal department with some information about mental health regulations and issues before they respond.

[76ciology]

We can just wait it out where teams will be more desperate to make it to the playoffs while we get a clearer picture on picks we may end up with.

Playing against the Bucks showed us how we need lengthy 4 who can shoot, so I also dont mind if we end up with Jerami Grant, Porzingis or Boucher and maybe a pick or another scorer.

[76ciology]

STOP THE COUNT

[Eyeamok]

We can just wait it out where teams will be more desperate to make it to the playoffs while we get a clearer picture on picks we may end up with.

Playing against the Bucks showed us how we need lengthy 4 who can shoot, so I also dont mind if we end up with Jerami Grant, Porzingis or Boucher

There is a GM who is on the hot seat right now and might lose their job and wants to make a splash, there is a GM that thought his team was going to make the playoffs and is starting to realize this is not going to happen. There is a team that would love a "star" on their roster to bring in the fans and give them the perception that the team is going in the right direction.

I've written this before and I'll write it again. Any team that trades for Ben will have one of the few players in the NBA that has shown he can defend and defend Luka well one on one. The west.... this is relevant to your interests.

[Murray_17]

i just don't understand the Rich Paul strategy right now.

With those commentaries he's only hurting Ben. If he's right, teams would need to have pauses about Ben's state right now, if a team wants to trade for Ben to save their season, a player with legit mental health issues is not worthy. This also put pressure onto teams to have an adaptation period with him and put questions on if Ben is ready to play this season or in the future even if he's traded.

I understand he thinks he's sticking it to the organization, but his first priority as an agent should be his player and his future on the league. Not entering a petty argument with an entire organization, specially if you also have another player there who is triving in his role.

Just idiocy all around.

[Eyeamok]

You know Rich Paul's last statement about the 76ers hampering Ben Simmons mental well being. Was not for the NBA it was for the public. Because his client is getting killed in arena of public perception.

Do players get a percentage of jerseys sales? And whoever has a sneaker contract with Simmons must be counting down the days until it expires.

[Ferry Avenue]

As Tyrese Maxey continues to play well, the Sixers' trade leverage increases.

[SixthStreet]

I've always thought that other interested teams have assumed that there are no crippling mental health concerns and that it's mostly theater to get shipped out of Philadelphia. Obviously there's something there but not anything that wouldn't allow him to play the same game he's always played. Klutch has probably indicated as such off the record to these teams.

[Mik317]

Its just an attempt to gain some power/leverage/sympathy back.

Its just hard to do at this stage due to the previous actions. They really expected the first few attempts to work.... like the threat of sitting out was supposed to get us to trade him asap. Most GMs probably would have done so..but Morey is playing w/ house money. Regardless of what you think about him; the facts are that the owners aren't going to fire him any time soon...so he can afford to be Mr. Big Balls and call the bluffs. Their second best shot was the team falling apart. And while the recent stretch may have been less than ideal...its due to covid...not Ben's absense and the team is closer than ever. And a real difference maker is the missing piece...not more role players. So the mental health card is all they have left...and reading between the lines, they seem to be realizing that has a short shelf life too and want to come out of this with some dignity and a path way for Ben to either suit up or patiently wait for the trade. They have softened their stance on never playing here again for example (I still say there is no chance he does but still).

Its all just a game of leverage and because they miscalculated; they are losing it at the moment.