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[hookshot199]

Green, Curry, Hill, signing Niang, resigning Korkmaz, now Harden, Morey has targeted lots of shooting since he got here. I'm pretty sure that trading for one of the greatest three point shooters in NBA history (and, also importantly, is great at setting up other 3 point shooters) counts as "targeting shooting at the deadline"...

Obviously Furk is having a bad year, if anyone has a crystal ball and can let Morey know that a guy is going to go from shooting 39+% two years in a row to under 30% please provide. Hopefully he gets on track soon or otherwise Shake is going to take all of his minutes.

Or that Tobias would be shooting 34.0% from 3 this year after 39.4% in 2020, 36.7% in 2019 (asterisk with Brown), 43.4% while with the Clippers in 2018 (dropped to 32.6% after the trade), and 41.4% and 40.9% while with the Clippers and Detroit in 2017. I'm hoping that Harden will help him resurrect his game.

Sure although Morey of course didn't bring Tobias in (or make the Thybulle or Bridges trade).

I can buy the argument that Brand didn't value shooting enough but Morey has made it a clear priority.

My point is, with Harden in the lineup I would expect/hope to see a 5-6-7 percentage point improvement in his three-point shooting.

[76ciology]

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[phillynative]

I think it's pretty obvious the Sixers are going to have to ride the starting 5 hard for them to win a title. Not that it's a bad thing, most teams do that in the playoffs anyway. But yeah, the Sixers have several players on the roster who are almost complete zeroes who are part of a regular rotation. Green, Millsap, Korkmaz. I assume Jordan will be on this list when he plays as well.

Morey is going to need to totally remake the bench in the summer, title this season or not. Combination of signings and trades, this team needs like 4-5 new players for depth.

Exactly

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Maxey is innocent Harden please don't take him to the dark side.

[Jailblazers7]

Tyrese Maxey is a millionaire. If he wanted to go to the club a lot, he’d already be doing it lol. No harm in going out and having fun with some teammates every once in a while.

[Murray_17]

any sense. Bridges was a significantly better offensive player in college than Thybulle and the margin has arguably only widened since both entered the pros. If you can't even agree on that basic reality then we can't actually have a conversation on the details.

Wrong, my logic makes sense. You just disagree with it.

Let's break it down. What is so significantly better about Mikal Bridges as a prospect?

https://hoop-math.com/Villanova2018.php
https://hoop-math.com/Washington2019.php

^ Who looks more competent off the dribble scoring unassisted buckets? No doubt, it's Thybulle.

Mikal Bridges: 11.3 ppg (16.5 ppg per-36), 5.4 3pa per 40, 10.3 assist percentage, 65.6% true shooting, 85% free throw
Matisse Thybulle: 9.1 ppg (12.5 ppg per-36), 5.4 3pa per 40, 12.8% assist percentage, 55% true shooting, 78% free throw

So Bridges is more efficient and better per-minute scoring (but pretty bad per-minute scoring in general, just better than Thybulle). Both had identical shooting frequency. Why is one being labeled as a shooter and the other as a d specialist?

The fact you look at this statistics and conclude that a guy scoring almost 17 points per 36 on 65% TS is a "bad per minute scorer in general" is super sad

[mjkvol]

Tisse was as 3&D coming out as you could possibly hope for. I mean besides the fact that he racked up defensive stats due to playing in a rover style zone 24/7 that wasn't all the way transferable to the league.

His 3 point attempt rate was >50% in all four years of college, including being at >8 3 point attempts per 100 possessions in his junior and senior seasons. He was also an okay FT line shooter, albeit on low volume.

The fact that he's regressed the way he has as a shooter, or made no progress is a huge indictment on his lack of work in his game and the skills trainers we have here that don't do a damn thing for helping players we draft improve at all.

Mikal was obviously a much more offensively diverse prospect coming out of NOVA. I didn't think he had huge upside coming out, I also didn't want him at #10 that year because I thought we desperately needed a prospect that could dribble in the halfcourt.

Mikal is better at attacking the rim with the ball in his hands, is better around the rim and some late clock frantic shot creation ability.

Thybulle was purely at the rim or from 3.

I don't think Mikal will ever be a true bomber anyways, he has a slight Lonzo Ball hitch that prevents him from getting shots off clearly and relentlessly (unlike his teammates Shamet, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder).

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Thybulle actually has a fundamentally sound-ish jumper that he can release quickly. He just stiffens up his shoulders sometimes and twists his neck when he releases for no reason and I think it's messing with his ability to consistently knock down shots.

Great post. That's the thing so puzzling about Thybulle's lack of progress, that he appears to have a sound stroke. Hard to believe it could be lack of work, as he seems to be a good kid that cares. Is this lack of working on your game some kind of Australian thing? Kidding.

[eyeatoma]

Meanwhile Miami has three or 4 players who have hit over 150 3s this season. How we are so inept at finding shooters is beyond me.

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It's very easy - trade up to draft defensive specialists and then draft a shooter and trade him for an 'athlete'. And when you have young shooters bury them on the end of the bench. Voila! Bad shooting.

Oh, and make sure you don't target any shooting at the trade deadline or with buyouts but instead make finding cooked backup bigs the primary option.

Who was the shooter that was traded for an athlete?

Mikal Bridges.

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[Murray_17]

If you look at Matisse FT% or his touch around the rim i think is obvious that he just doesn't have the intangibles to be a great offensive weapon and he's maxed as a spot shooter from 3.

The fact he has tried to improve on that by learning how to be a cutter shows he actually works on his game.

The issue is that, it isn't enough to stay on the floor.

I also think he's the contract we can use to actually improve our depth, specially thinking on the money he's gonna try to get on his extension

[Murray_17]

I don't even know how to address that. Thybulle was always seen as having an elite defensive game while being a project offensively. He played four years in college and is in his third year as a pro, and is more of a project than ever.

Bridges was drafted as high as he was because of his 3&D potential. You tend to rely exclusively on numbers way too often that contrast with what you see actually watching players and come up with some bizarre conclusions.

He doesn't even understand some of the numbers he use.

I still laugh at when he tried to argue that DLO was a better iso scorer than Beal because of the % of isolations baskets, when Beal iso like 2 times more than DLO.

[eyeatoma]

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Hahahahahaha love it.

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[FireMorey]

I am pro team bonding. Really want the team to like one another and no drama.

[hookshot199]

There's no discussion to be had because what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Bridges was a significantly better offensive player in college than Thybulle and the margin has arguably only widened since both entered the pros. If you can't even agree on that basic reality then we can't actually have a conversation on the details.

Wrong, my logic makes sense. You just disagree with it.

Let's break it down. What is so significantly better about Mikal Bridges as a prospect?

https://hoop-math.com/Villanova2018.php
https://hoop-math.com/Washington2019.php

^ Who looks more competent off the dribble scoring unassisted buckets? No doubt, it's Thybulle.

Mikal Bridges: 11.3 ppg (16.5 ppg per-36), 5.4 3pa per 40, 10.3 assist percentage, 65.6% true shooting, 85% free throw
Matisse Thybulle: 9.1 ppg (12.5 ppg per-36), 5.4 3pa per 40, 12.8% assist percentage, 55% true shooting, 78% free throw

So Bridges is more efficient and better per-minute scoring (but pretty bad per-minute scoring in general, just better than Thybulle). Both had identical shooting frequency. Why is one being labeled as a shooter and the other as a d specialist?

Removing frequency from the equation, the college three-point line was 3 feet shorter than the NBA's - except from the corners - when both Bridges and Thybulle played college ball. In part it's an apples and oranges comparison. Secondly, Bridges had a superb year last year shooting 42.5%, again not counting frequency. But otherwise, he was 33.5% in his rookie year, 36.1% in his second year and 36.6% this year. Last year, in a very small sample (3 2/3 years), could be an outlier. He's a really good player, and I wish we had drafted him. But he's not a top-tier three-point shooter - yet.

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Maxey is innocent Harden please don't take him to the dark side.

I didn’t see Harden Or Naing

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I saw naing and Maxey but not James

[Jailblazers7]

Matisse seems like the panicky type (at least on offense) which isn’t a good trait for a shooter lol. Gotta wonder what he’d be like if Doc had been here at the start of his career because it seems like the younger guys working with coaches like Sam Cassell has done wonders for them. Even Furk looked like he was developing until he lost his confidence and the Monstars stole his shot.