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Love Park Vs. Jurassic Park, Sixers @ Raptors 4/7 7:30pm EST

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Re: Love Park Vs. Jurassic Park, Sixers @ Raptors 4/7 7:30pm EST 

Post#461 » by kuclas » Sat Apr 9, 2022 3:12 am

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Bum Adebayo wrote:And it's officially over, any chance at Embiid's MVP down the drain, FML.

Raptors fan, came in peace. If we play you in the playoffs your best shot is having Embiid defend SIAKAM most of the game. He scores most of his points in the paint and Harris cannot guard him. Siakam is much better than when we played you the last time in the playoffs and Harris could not guard him then, added strength and midrange game.

I think Maxey should attack off the dribble and Harden play off the ball, Harden does not look like he has enough explosive step to beat any of our athletic wings off the bounce. You guys will have a great chance if Embiid plays at a high level at both ends. The Raptors do not have a traditional 5 who can guard him in the post, so if he plays in the post he can score and get to the line. Also our starting PG/SG Freddie who did not play last night has problem with his lateral mobility because ongoing knee issue and you may be able to attack him off the dribble. As for Thybulle missing last night, you were missing your best defender and we were missing OG our best all round defender. This should be a very entertaining fun series and there is no need to get nasty , we"re all basketball fans who love and support our teams. Players will decide, not fans

Agree with most points. But if Siakam keeps making those 15 foot free throw jumpers. It defeats embiid trying to defend him.

As for Maxey. Toronto has no answer for his speed. He can blow pass pretty much any defender. Raptors fans know this. Except doc rivers won’t adjust and let Maxey do his thing.

I notice nick nurse defense schemes with the soft and than hard double teams on embiid. Embiid isn’t quick enough to see what Toronto is doing. All he has to do the min a raptor defender is sliding over is swing it back to harden. Harden does have the vision to swing it over to Maxey. Toronto has zero chance when this happen and Maxey can attack the rim.

If Toronto sees Maxey scoring at will due to the double team of embiid. They will back off.

Than embiid can go to work against raptors smaller ball defenders.

But this is where embiid lack of coaching from doc rivers comes into play. Nick nurse is counting on embiid and rivers not seeing this.

I saw it all night. Embiid doing stupid fade away jumpers. Being loose with the ball on the perimeter. He’s improved with double team. But he’s still not there yet. Air mailing a ball 10 feet over his own teammate head last night.
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Re: Love Park Vs. Jurassic Park, Sixers @ Raptors 4/7 7:30pm EST 

Post#462 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:45 pm

kuclas wrote:I saw it all night. Embiid doing stupid fade away jumpers. Being loose with the ball on the perimeter. He’s improved with double team. But he’s still not there yet. Air mailing a ball 10 feet over his own teammate head last night.

There is a relatively simple way of defending this team in clutch situations. Switch on picks for Harden, successfully defend Harden with the switch due to his inability to dribble penetrate and finish at the rim even against many 5s in the league, then double-team Embiid with Harden's man and the man guarding the weakest offensive player on the floor, and make the entire offense hinge on Embiid's ability to find and get the ball to the open man and have him make a shot.

In that way you've taken the ball out of the hands of the three strongest players -- Embiid, Maxey, and Harden -- and created turmoil revolving around Embiid's ability to find the open man and get the ball to him while under intense pressure, while having the success of the offense hinge on that and the ability of the fourth or fifth man make a shot. If you have an effective offense yourself in the clutch, you're highly likely to outscore the Sixers in those situations.

That whole picture revolves around Harden's inability to dribble penetrate. If he had that ability, he could either do that and finish at the rim and/or get fouled, or find the rolling Embiid for a shot without any double-team. With Harden's ability to penetrate vastly diminished, however, the whole thing has to take another direction.
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Re: Love Park Vs. Jurassic Park, Sixers @ Raptors 4/7 7:30pm EST 

Post#463 » by kuclas » Sat Apr 9, 2022 1:24 pm

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kuclas wrote:I saw it all night. Embiid doing stupid fade away jumpers. Being loose with the ball on the perimeter. He’s improved with double team. But he’s still not there yet. Air mailing a ball 10 feet over his own teammate head last night.

There is a relatively simple way of defending this team in clutch situations. Switch on picks for Harden, successfully defend Harden with the switch due to his inability to dribble penetrate and finish at the rim even against many 5s in the league, then double-team Embiid with Harden's man and the man guarding the weakest offensive player on the floor, and make the entire offense hinge on Embiid's ability to find and get the ball to the open man and have him make a shot.

In that way you've taken the ball out of the hands of the three strongest players -- Embiid, Maxey, and Harden -- and created turmoil revolving around Embiid's ability to find the open man and get the ball to him while under intense pressure, while having the success of the offense hinge on that and the ability of the fourth or fifth man make a shot. If you have an effective offense yourself in the clutch, you're highly likely to outscore the Sixers in those situations.

That whole picture revolves around Harden's inability to dribble penetrate. If he had that ability, he could either do that and finish at the rim and/or get fouled, or find the rolling Embiid for a shot without any double-team. With Harden's ability to penetrate vastly diminished, however, the whole thing has to take another direction.


For this reason. End of game situations. Have embiid just establish position deep as possible. It’s stupid to have embiid try to generate offense from 15 feet out.

There is so much pressure on the defense to defense embiid when he tries to get deep position. Because if he gets spoon fed that deep. It’s over. It’s either a foul or a layup/dunk.

I don’t know why embiid keeps getting the ball so far out in end of game situations.

And you are right. For that reason. Thybulle cannot play end of game situations. Cause he can’t shoot. Even aging over the hill Danny green is more dangerous on the floor than thybulle.

But Thursday night game. I thought the raptors “wanted the game more”. The sixers didn’t play poorly. They made 19 (3 point shots). Shot almost 50%. But the ugly problem for the sixers keeps reappearing. Rebounding. Allowing too many second chance points.

Usually a team that makes over 40% from (3 point range) on high volume (aka making more than 15 3 point shots) wins the game. So you have to look at other things. And it was combination of Toronto making only 10 turnovers and getting 12 offensive rebounds. Those amount to extra possessions. And that’s how they won the game.
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Re: Love Park Vs. Jurassic Park, Sixers @ Raptors 4/7 7:30pm EST 

Post#464 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Apr 9, 2022 1:57 pm

kuclas wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
kuclas wrote:I saw it all night. Embiid doing stupid fade away jumpers. Being loose with the ball on the perimeter. He’s improved with double team. But he’s still not there yet. Air mailing a ball 10 feet over his own teammate head last night.

There is a relatively simple way of defending this team in clutch situations. Switch on picks for Harden, successfully defend Harden with the switch due to his inability to dribble penetrate and finish at the rim even against many 5s in the league, then double-team Embiid with Harden's man and the man guarding the weakest offensive player on the floor, and make the entire offense hinge on Embiid's ability to find and get the ball to the open man and have him make a shot.

In that way you've taken the ball out of the hands of the three strongest players -- Embiid, Maxey, and Harden -- and created turmoil revolving around Embiid's ability to find the open man and get the ball to him while under intense pressure, while having the success of the offense hinge on that and the ability of the fourth or fifth man make a shot. If you have an effective offense yourself in the clutch, you're highly likely to outscore the Sixers in those situations.

That whole picture revolves around Harden's inability to dribble penetrate. If he had that ability, he could either do that and finish at the rim and/or get fouled, or find the rolling Embiid for a shot without any double-team. With Harden's ability to penetrate vastly diminished, however, the whole thing has to take another direction.


For this reason. End of game situations. Have embiid just establish position deep as possible. It’s stupid to have embiid try to generate offense from 15 feet out.

There is so much pressure on the defense to defense embiid when he tries to get deep position. Because if he gets spoon fed that deep. It’s over. It’s either a foul or a layup/dunk.

I don’t know why embiid keeps getting the ball so far out in end of game situations.

And you are right. For that reason. Thybulle cannot play end of game situations. Cause he can’t shoot. Even aging over the hill Danny green is more dangerous on the floor than thybulle.

But Thursday night game. I thought the raptors “wanted the game more”. The sixers didn’t play poorly. They made 19 (3 point shots). Shot almost 50%. But the ugly problem for the sixers keeps reappearing. Rebounding. Allowing too many second chance points.

Usually a team that makes over 40% from (3 point range) on high volume (aka making more than 15 3 point shots) wins the game. So you have to look at other things. And it was combination of Toronto making only 10 turnovers and getting 12 offensive rebounds. Those amount to extra possessions. And that’s how they won the game.

No doubt. Right now teams are responding to the Harden/Embiid PnR by using more athletic 5s who can defend Harden off the dribble, allowing them to switch on picks for Harden. The minute Rivers sees that the offense should transition to Embiid in the post, exploiting the smaller opposing 5. Dump it down immediately and make them pay for that approach.

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