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It still seems like Morey is working on potential deals, whether it's Thybulle or Tobias. But with things kind of quieting down, I was wondering what everyone thinks the actual depth chart/minutes allocation looks like for the regular season. I am guessing...

PG: James Harden (34) — DeAnthony Melton (14)
SG: Tyrese Maxey (34) — DeAnthony Melton (14)
SF: Tobias Harris (22) — Danuel House (14) — Matisse Thybulle (12)
PF: PJ Tucker (24) — Tobias Harris (12) — Georges Niang (12)
C: Joel Embiid (32) — Paul Reed (16)

That would end up at...
1. Maxey: 34 MPG
2. Harden: 34 MPG
3. Tobias: 34 MPG
4. Embiid: 32 MPG
5. Melton: 28 MPG
6. Tucker: 24 MPG
7. Reed: 16 MPG
8. House: 14 MPG
9. Thybulle: 12 MPG
10. Niang: 12 MPG

Starting 5:
Maxey-Harden-Tobias-Tucker-Embiid

Bench units:
Rockets East Line-up
Harden-Thybulle-Melton-House-Tucker

Sixers OG (original group) line-up
Maxey-Melton-Tobias-Niang-Embiid

End games/halves using extreme line-ups to create mismatch:

Play Microball
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Tucker

Play Small
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Embiid
OR
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tucker-Embiid

Play Mid size
Maxey-Harden-Tobias-Tucker-Embiid

Play Giant:
Harden-Melton-Tucker-Reed-Embiid

Looks pretty spot on to me. I could also see Thybulles minutes getting re-allocated to Niang and House. He’ll probably get traded, but maybe theyll keep him in the rotation of things remain the same.

Some of the guys not listed in the OP that are still on the roster now but have been lost in the shuffle - Shake, Furkan, Joe

I think Shake is the most likely of the three to get minutes this year as the fourth guard in the rotation with the ability to slot in to various lineups as a 1 to 3. Whether it's through an injury to someone above him, or a trade that's yet to happen, I think we'll still see a decent amount of Shake this year. He played pretty well in the playoffs too.

Furkan seems to have been completely displaced. At this point he's a 25 year old that shoots below average career from 3 while coming off a season where he shot 29% and he's bad at pretty much everything else. I think there's at least 11 guys on the roster right now that would give more present value, and several others that offer more developmental value (Joe, Springer, Bassey, etc). Furkan's value to the team is likely contract filler for a future trade, either before the season or at the deadline.

Isaiah Joe probably gets another look this year, but his roster spot is a lot less certain than it was a year ago.

It's also worth mentioning Charles Bassey, who probably has a solid chance at the backup center minutes, especially depending on where Reed slots in.

The big question for this roster is: can Tucker and Harris play together?
If the answer is not, we're in trouble, cause Thybulle and Melton give us issues of shooting or size.

And you cannot play House over Tobias in crunch time imho.

kriss73 wrote:The big question for this roster is: can Tucker and Harris play together?
If the answer is not, we're in trouble, cause Thybulle and Melton give us issues of shooting or size.

And you cannot play House over Tobias in crunch time imho.

Should be fine on offense, can park either guy in the corner if you don't want them in primary actions. Defense I guess it's situational, but looking over depth charts in the league it seems okay. Tucker can sometimes take the better/bigger wings and Harris can also check 3s in certain times. Guess teams could run smaller quicker wings past them, but then Melton might be able to check them if that happens.

kriss73 wrote:The big question for this roster is: can Tucker and Harris play together?
If the answer is not, we're in trouble, cause Thybulle and Melton give us issues of shooting or size.

And you cannot play House over Tobias in crunch time imho.

It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

LloydFree wrote:

kriss73 wrote:The big question for this roster is: can Tucker and Harris play together?
If the answer is not, we're in trouble, cause Thybulle and Melton give us issues of shooting or size.

And you cannot play House over Tobias in crunch time imho.

It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.

kriss73 wrote:

LloydFree wrote:

kriss73 wrote:The big question for this roster is: can Tucker and Harris play together?
If the answer is not, we're in trouble, cause Thybulle and Melton give us issues of shooting or size.

And you cannot play House over Tobias in crunch time imho.

It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.

You play your best players or best lineups no matter what you're paying them. The Warriors won their 1st Championship with their highest paid player (David Lee) benched for Draymond Green, a 2nd round pick.

LloydFree wrote:

kriss73 wrote:

LloydFree wrote:It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.

You play your best players or best lineups no matter what you're paying them. The Warriors won their 1st Championship with their highest paid player (David Lee) benched for Draymond Green, a 2nd round pick.

Haven't seen you posting as much lately. Nice to see you around.

I believe there one more move coming. I think Thybulle and Korkmaz will be move for Bullock.
Just to early to break this down.
Harden Maxey and Melton will split all the guard mins
I expect Harris to get around 35 mins. At small forward. Bullock will back him up.
Tucker and Nieng should split most of the power forward mins.
Embiidi plays center. Reed backed him up.
Milton, Queen,Bassey, CBrown jr all only play if there’s an injury.
I expect Joe gets cut before his contract gets guaranteed.

LloydFree wrote:

kriss73 wrote:

LloydFree wrote:It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.

You play your best players or best lineups no matter what you're paying them. The Warriors won their 1st Championship with their highest paid player (David Lee) benched for Draymond Green, a 2nd round pick.

You're right but if you don't win it all (as the Warriors), it's an organizational failure.

My point is: either you're confident Tobias and PJ can play together when it matters most, either you have to sell low Tobias ASAP and to cut losses.

Imho with the addition of Melton, PJ and House we increase our toughness and our wing depth.
Now the focus of our off season has to turn on the reliability of theTobias/PJ combo

One thing is for sure, Doc has a lot more options to use than he did last year. I really hope he can be a bit less rigid with his rotations.

kriss73 wrote:
My point is: either you're confident Tobias and PJ can play together when it matters most, either you have to sell low Tobias ASAP and to cut losses.

How to cut loss by selling Tobias low?

Sorry, im asking this because as you can see in all our recent trade threads, i like making trade proposals for Tobi.

Do you mean trading tobias for expiring is to “sell low to cut losses”?

LloydFree wrote:

kriss73 wrote:

LloydFree wrote:It's been a few seasons, but I saw House play well in crunch time when he was in Houston.

It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.

You play your best players or best lineups no matter what you're paying them. The Warriors won their 1st Championship with their highest paid player (David Lee) benched for Draymond Green, a 2nd round pick.

Steve Kerr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doc Rivers

Paul Reed should play 20+ mpg. Maybe up to 30 mpg. 15 mins as Embiid's primary backup, and the rest of the time at PF. Plus bigger mins when Jo sits.

Getting Tucker, House, Melton, and Reed into the rotation this year should pay major major dividends on defense and the boards.

76ciology wrote:

kriss73 wrote:
My point is: either you're confident Tobias and PJ can play together when it matters most, either you have to sell low Tobias ASAP and to cut losses.

How to cut loss by selling Tobias low?

Sorry, im asking this because as you can see in all our recent trade threads, i like making trade proposals for Tobi.

Do you mean trading tobias for expiring is to “sell low to cut losses”?

Yes.
Personally I'm not too critical of Tobias and I think he has not negative value in a trade, if you find the right partner.
But finding the right partner could mean a lot of time and that could not be good for the team.

Having your biggest contract on the bench isn't bad managing only if you had "a Draymond Green" type of player ready too go in, to follow the example of what Lloyd wrote.

But even in that case "David Lee was traded to the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace and Chris Babb, as Golden State was seeking to offload his salary given his limited role on the team".

So:

1. you're confident that PJ and Tobias can play together with Joel. Nice, you are done.
2. you're not confident, so you cut losses and trade him now for useful expiring contracts
3. you're confident to have a young and very good substitute already on the roster, and you bench Tobias and you trade him next summer to offload his salary. The "GSW pattern"

Imho we're on the path number 2.

kriss73 wrote:

76ciology wrote:

kriss73 wrote:
My point is: either you're confident Tobias and PJ can play together when it matters most, either you have to sell low Tobias ASAP and to cut losses.

How to cut loss by selling Tobias low?

Sorry, im asking this because as you can see in all our recent trade threads, i like making trade proposals for Tobi.

Do you mean trading tobias for expiring is to “sell low to cut losses”?

Yes.
Personally I'm not too critical of Tobias and I think he has not negative value in a trade, if you find the right partner.
But finding the right partner could mean a lot of time and that could not be good for the team.

Having your biggest contract on the bench isn't bad managing only if you had "a Draymond Green" type of player ready too go in, to follow the example of what Lloyd wrote.

But even in that case "David Lee was traded to the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace and Chris Babb, as Golden State was seeking to offload his salary given his limited role on the team".

So:

1. you're confident that PJ and Tobias can play together with Joel. Nice, you are done.
2. you're not confident, so you cut losses and trade him now for useful expiring contracts
3. you're confident to have a young and very good substitute already on the roster, and you bench Tobias and you trade him next summer to offload his salary. The "GSW pattern"

Imho we're on the path number 2.

Path number 2 doesn't seemingly match the reality of his trade value though. You'd likely have to take someone else's ugly contract(s) if you wanted to move him.

Honestly, I don't know why people wouldn't think those 2 could play together. PJ's more mobile than Danny was last year, and Tobias showed improved defensive ability with a lighter load offensively.

I could see them changing up the 5th starter depending on matchup (and more notably, where you need to hide Harden).

If you're playing a high powered backcourt like the Suns or Hawks, I could see Melton or Thybulle getting the call over Tucker.