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Tobias and Maxey is a great starting point. An expiring contract and a 20+ PPG young, efficient, and improving guard. Especially since the market has tapered off a bit recently.

Embiid + Harden + Lillard is an all time great offensive trio for the next few seasons. Worth a shot imo.

Contract, age, trade price, and size. In that order.

pr0wler wrote:Tobias and Maxey is a great starting point. An expiring contract and a 20+ PPG young, efficient, and improving guard. Especially since the market has tapered off a bit recently.

Embiid + Harden + Lillard is an all time great offensive trio for the next few seasons. Worth a shot imo.

I think that would win the east. Gives you a title shot. Harden would have to buy in of course. The problem is trust at this stage and Harden wants security in terms of a contract. But if they all bought in and Embiid stays healthy they would win the east.

For the same reason Harden didn't work out. We cannot continue to be kings of buying high 3 seasons too late.

Harden and Lillard will work because Dame is amazing off the ball and a great shooting guard who doesn’t need to dribble to much to get a shot off. The odds is Not High to get it done because I highly doubt Portland has any use for Maxey.


A Harden/Dame /Embiid trio is the best trio in the league. Better then booked/Durant and Beale

They dont want maxey for the same reason they wont want Herro. They have Simons/Scoot/Sharpe already

Godaddycurse wrote:They dont want maxey for the same reason they wont want Herro. They have Simons/Scoot/Sharpe already

Maxey is better than Herro though.

pr0wler wrote:Tobias and Maxey is a great starting point. An expiring contract and a 20+ PPG young, efficient, and improving guard. Especially since the market has tapered off a bit recently.

Embiid + Harden + Lillard is an all time great offensive trio for the next few seasons. Worth a shot imo.

Reasons why not:

Lillard doesn't want to be here.
Blazers wouldn't take Maxey + Tobias for Lillard.
Sixers shouldn't offer anything beyond Maxey + Tobias, because Lillard's contract is going to be franchise crippling near the end.

But if Lillard didn't publicly make himself untradeable to anywhere but Miami (seems unlikely) and the Blazers would take just Maxey+Tobias with no picks (even less likely), I'd go for it.

I'm sure Morey could find some damn good assets from another team for Maxey if that was the only issue with it.

How long before Maxey is outperforming Dame tho?

76thBearCub wrote:I'm sure Morey could find some damn good assets from another team for Maxey if that was the only issue with it.

How long before Maxey is outperforming Dame tho?

Outperforming him? My guess would be 2025-26, but the more important question is whether Maxey will ever be as good Dame is right now. Right now, Dame is already equal to Maxey's best-case outcome. You wouldn't get that near-peak Lillard for very long, but we might never see that from Maxey. Actually, probably won't... simply because most players don't become Hall of Famers.

FlyingArrow wrote:

76thBearCub wrote:I'm sure Morey could find some damn good assets from another team for Maxey if that was the only issue with it.

How long before Maxey is outperforming Dame tho?

Outperforming him? My guess would be 2025-26, but the more important question is whether Maxey will ever be as good Dame is right now. Right now, Dame is already equal to Maxey's best-case outcome. You wouldn't get that near-peak Lillard for very long, but we might never see that from Maxey. Actually, probably won't... simply because most players don't become Hall of Famers.

I could see it being debatable not this year but next. When Dame is declining and still on the hook for a ton of money.

76thBearCub wrote:

FlyingArrow wrote:

76thBearCub wrote:I'm sure Morey could find some damn good assets from another team for Maxey if that was the only issue with it.

How long before Maxey is outperforming Dame tho?

Outperforming him? My guess would be 2025-26, but the more important question is whether Maxey will ever be as good Dame is right now. Right now, Dame is already equal to Maxey's best-case outcome. You wouldn't get that near-peak Lillard for very long, but we might never see that from Maxey. Actually, probably won't... simply because most players don't become Hall of Famers.

I could see it being debatable not this year but next. When Dame is declining and still on the hook for a ton of money.

Player-value wise, I think they're already equal. In my trade proposal (Tobias+Maxey+zero picks), Tobias is just there to balance salaries. Not that Tobias is worth nothing, but he wouldn't even need to be there if the salaries were even. Player value is a different question from who is actually a better player.

Dame will still be great for at least this season, and probably near-great for at least one more. He might even be starter-quality for the duration of his contract. He'll most likely keep starting even if he isn't worth it. But there's almost zero chance he lives up to his contract (or even comes close) in those last 2 years. With that albatross of a contract looming and with Maxey's youth and sky-high potential... I think they're an even trade. It's just that it would have to be two teams in radically different positions making the trade. One in rebuild mode wanting Maxey and one in win RIGHT NOW mode wanting Lillard... you know, like a team with an MVP nearing 30 who has an injury history.

I'm no Tobias fan but we can't just throw him away in a Maxey for Dame trade.

If Harden wasn't such I diva I'd probably be on board.

Harden is far too unreliable for this type of gambit to be worth it.

Harden is half toast and Lilliard is at an age where the fall will come quickly with one injury. Trading for an alpha wing that isn’t beat and old I trade Maxey, for another small, older guard with a contract that will strangle you, no thanks.

Harden and Lillard dont want to play for us, is my reason.

It’s impossible to win a championship if your top guys are not fully committed to win the championship as their top priority.

because life is pain.

but seriously...Dame is 33, small, and has eyes elsewhere. I'm sure he wouldn't half ass it but still. I will always overhype our own homegrown talent (I mean I was still caping for Ben even AFTER he got shook of Carpet Lolipop man) so obviously I love Maxey. But to be realistic, there is an equal chance that Maxey has reached his apex and scaling him up leads to regression as it is that he blossoms. Plus he could go from a nice small bean who we all love to an overpayed 6th man in a minute. So as much as I'd whine in the moment, logically I "get it" if we traded him.... but IDK Dame has a lot of the makings of past Sixers mistakes of getting guys a season or two too late. I also think his cool gamewinners has masked that he has had some playoff stinkers his damn self...Jrue had that man in hell.

Then there is the fact that even in a perfect world in which he doesn't fall off, stays healthy, and loves it here....it just may not be enough anyway...and you are left with no assets and a declining Dame and a Biid who probably begins to look elsewhere. That would suck.

HOWEVA, Dame probably could attract players here in FA more than Biid alone.

IDK. Its a risk and one I wouldn't take but then again I might be sending some secret agents to Biid to get him to ask for a trade so we can just rebuild anyway lol so what do I know lol.

AGain tho...I think we'd get outbid even with Maxey on the table anyway so it all feels moot

I just can’t get on board with trading Maxey for a player of Dame’s age & contract. Maxey is basically the one stroke of good luck that’s happened to this franchise in decades & trading away the next 10 years of his future will probably make me stop watching this stupid team once & for all.