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Since the other thread is now over 100 pages, it's time to start another.
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Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
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MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Grow up.
In the real world most people aren't day laborers. They're sitting in front of computer screens all day and scrolling social media (or realgm forums...) for half of that day.
If we're being honest, most jobs aren't very hard, don't require even a fraction of the physical dedication required by professional athletes (including blue collar construction work), nor the stress of heavy public scrutiny based on performance, not the travel requirements.
That's what the money is for, and it's an unimaginable sum for presumably everyone here to play a game. A true dream job.
But life issues don't begin and end with money alone.
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I don’t know why how much money he makes is even part of the equation. He doesn’t cease to be human. He’s not an infallible robot.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
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youngcrev wrote:MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Grow up.
In the real world most people aren't day laborers. They're sitting in front of computer screens all day and scrolling social media (or realgm forums...) for half of that day.
If we're being honest, most jobs aren't very hard, don't require even a fraction of the physical dedication required by professional athletes (including blue collar construction work), nor the stress of heavy public scrutiny based on performance, not the travel requirements.
That's what the money is for, and it's an unimaginable sum for presumably everyone here to play a game. A true dream job.
But life issues don't begin and end with money alone.
Telling me to grow up.
**** you.
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MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Just posted this in the first Embiid thread right before it ended in response to another comparison of a pro athlete to every day workers:
This is an argument you hear too often that to me is absolutely inane. Comparing a normal 9-5 job to that of a professional athlete at the highest level is way beyond apples and oranges. It's utterly ridiculous, unless your job requires you to have skills that a fraction of one percent of the population possess, provides you generational wealth, and has you in the public spotlight 24-7-365.
I don't disagree that Embiid shares in the blame for much of what has gone on here, but I'll repeat what I posted earlier regarding comparisons between Embiid and a player like Duncan, who we have wanted him to emulate. Look at the upbringing, college experience, maturity upon being drafted, situations they were drafted into with regard to quality of organization, coaching, team leaders they had as rookies, and talent they were surrounded with throughout their careers. On the surface alone the comparison is absurd.
The Sixers drafted a kid completely unequipped to deal with all that came with being the face of a franchise, butchered his treatment at every turn, scapegoated him instead of taking responsibility, never built a proper roster around him or hired competent coaches, and yet expected him to play superman and win championships. Name the player who would have thrived in such a situation.
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MVP1992 wrote:youngcrev wrote:MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Grow up.
In the real world most people aren't day laborers. They're sitting in front of computer screens all day and scrolling social media (or realgm forums...) for half of that day.
If we're being honest, most jobs aren't very hard, don't require even a fraction of the physical dedication required by professional athletes (including blue collar construction work), nor the stress of heavy public scrutiny based on performance, not the travel requirements.
That's what the money is for, and it's an unimaginable sum for presumably everyone here to play a game. A true dream job.
But life issues don't begin and end with money alone.
Telling me to grow up.
**** you.

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Negrodamus wrote:I don’t know why how much money he makes is even part of the equation. He doesn’t cease to be human. He’s not an infallible robot.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
Except when it comes to the organization. You have no problem assigning blame when it comes to them.
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Iverson Armband wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I don’t know why how much money he makes is even part of the equation. He doesn’t cease to be human. He’s not an infallible robot.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
Except when it comes to the organization. You have no problem assigning blame when it comes to them.
I don't think it's too big a secret how dysfunctional this organization has been for a long time now.
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mjkvol wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I don’t know why how much money he makes is even part of the equation. He doesn’t cease to be human. He’s not an infallible robot.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
Except when it comes to the organization. You have no problem assigning blame when it comes to them.
I don't think it's too big a secret how dysfunctional this organization has been for a long time now.
The point is, you can’t have objective eyes for Joel and not afford the organization the same luxury. As has been mentioned, not everything that went wrong the organization had control over either. Let’s not also act like the Sixers organization is some kind of concentration camp. They’ve made mistakes, but it hasn’t been all terrible either.
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Iverson Armband wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I don’t know why how much money he makes is even part of the equation. He doesn’t cease to be human. He’s not an infallible robot.
He’s a product of his experiences, right or wrong. That’s why I’m trying to not assign blame or fault over the situation; more just understanding why he is the way he is.
Except when it comes to the organization. You have no problem assigning blame when it comes to them.
Feel free to show me where I assigned blame on the organization. I acknowledged they could have done things better, but they are not responsible for raising him. You mistaken laying out the thought process a pointing out what they could have done better as “blame”. You can put your knives away defending the org now.
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Mik317 wrote:Biid is not faultless. I don't think even his biggest stans would say he is. But the simple fact that he is not the only guy who has been treated like **** by this organization makes me feel like said organization may be the problem lol. Feel like that has been overlooked for the more tabloid stuff in the article. The intern being in charge of rehab, the fact that MULTIPLE outside sources had to be brought in for Biid alone, the fact that Maxey, Ben and again Biid all feel like they have to or had to go outside the organization for training...that **** is clownshoes man.
I have always said that the fact that we are even in a position to be let down and mad about not making out of the second round is actually impressive considering the insane list of dumb **** that has gone on over these 10 years. Biid despite it all has allowed that level of "success" damn near solo with a revolving cast of dudes who all seem to leave on bad terms. If you take a step back that is nuts. THIS DOES NOT MEAN BIID IS FAULTLESS or that we should be greatful for this because at the end of the day sports are about winning and we simply have not done that and Biid has to hold that on his chest too....but at a certain point if the stupid **** keeps happening behind the scenes...thats kinda the problem no?
Maxey has zero reason not to like this organization. In fact, he’s on the record as calling out Embiid, not the organization. They drafted and developed him when a bunch of idiot organizations passed on him. They built him a shrine museum ffs

Simmons is a certified nut job. He shouldn’t be brought up to make any kind of point.
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Embiid definitely deserves some of the blame. Who deserve more, probably the Sixers, but you don't get to where they are without everyone contributing to it. The reality is, Embiid is just an extremely difficult player to build around. He is the face of the franchise and they needed to exhaust a tremendous amount of energy and resources just to make it work for one player out of 15. They had to bend over backwards just to placate and cater to one guy. The medical professional guy even said he needed to research how special needs kids were handled to learn how to handle Embiid. That's a tough spot to be in for any organization.
But the Sixers definitely screwed up and come off as amateurish as well. How they let an intern initially deal with his health. How they didn't believe him when he said he's not healing. How they let him play in the playoffs vs the Knicks. Like what the hell? We all would mock, rant and joke that the Sixers never learn from past Embiid mistakes and it turns out all of those were 100% right on the money. How they didn't learn from past mistakes and still continue to allow the guy to go out there compromised is a joke. They're his bosses. How it seems like no one is ever on the same page. Lots of people saying negative stuff about Embiid in the organization. No one knowing how he's feeling or what he's doing. How was this allowed to fester? It feels like no one's running the ship. It always feels that way with this organization.
But also Embiid comes off as pretty immature. Like being pissed at the leaker for leaking Maxey's criticisms of Embiid in a team meeting. And instead of acknowledging that he's late and has bad habits, him holding a grudge against the leaker and saying he's never going to go to team meetings anymore because of it(or whatever he said, I forget the exact quote). Dude, you're over 30 now. You gotta grow up. He still hasn't fully accepted responsibility for being lax at times and it's clear he still hasn't. Not great when he's your best player and supposed to be the guy who other players rally behind. I just don't think he' a good leader for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean they can't win with him if he stays healthy. Doesn't mean he's not a great player. Doesn't mean he's a bad teammate per se. But he certainly is not a leader. And that article reinforced that a dozen times over.
But the Sixers definitely screwed up and come off as amateurish as well. How they let an intern initially deal with his health. How they didn't believe him when he said he's not healing. How they let him play in the playoffs vs the Knicks. Like what the hell? We all would mock, rant and joke that the Sixers never learn from past Embiid mistakes and it turns out all of those were 100% right on the money. How they didn't learn from past mistakes and still continue to allow the guy to go out there compromised is a joke. They're his bosses. How it seems like no one is ever on the same page. Lots of people saying negative stuff about Embiid in the organization. No one knowing how he's feeling or what he's doing. How was this allowed to fester? It feels like no one's running the ship. It always feels that way with this organization.
But also Embiid comes off as pretty immature. Like being pissed at the leaker for leaking Maxey's criticisms of Embiid in a team meeting. And instead of acknowledging that he's late and has bad habits, him holding a grudge against the leaker and saying he's never going to go to team meetings anymore because of it(or whatever he said, I forget the exact quote). Dude, you're over 30 now. You gotta grow up. He still hasn't fully accepted responsibility for being lax at times and it's clear he still hasn't. Not great when he's your best player and supposed to be the guy who other players rally behind. I just don't think he' a good leader for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean they can't win with him if he stays healthy. Doesn't mean he's not a great player. Doesn't mean he's a bad teammate per se. But he certainly is not a leader. And that article reinforced that a dozen times over.
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youngcrev wrote:MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Grow up.
In the real world most people aren't day laborers. They're sitting in front of computer screens all day and scrolling social media (or realgm forums...) for half of that day.
If we're being honest, most jobs aren't very hard, don't require even a fraction of the physical dedication required by professional athletes (including blue collar construction work), nor the stress of heavy public scrutiny based on performance, not the travel requirements.
That's what the money is for, and it's an unimaginable sum for presumably everyone here to play a game. A true dream job.
But life issues don't begin and end with money alone.
I definitely do not want to start anything here. I think comparing regular people who work regular jobs to pro athletes is a stupid comparison. However, I've been a block, brick, and stone mason in the Smoky Mountains of East TN for 24 years now. That's hard work; it's labor-intensive, and it's hard on the body. I build the foundations for the cabins in the mountains that people such as yourself vacation to. You can't be a fat slob with saggy man boobies and come out and do the kind of work I do on those hills. Now while a lot of the guys in my trade are burnout misfits, druggies, ex cons drinkers, etc, I decided to take a different route. There's a reason I'm still at it, and a lot of the guys I came up with are either broke down, retired, or dead.
In order to continue doing my trade I dedicate a good portion of my life to eating right and working out 6 days a week. At some point I plan on getting out of the trade and working an easier job. Basically after my kids are all grown. While you are right about the work force being laxed and easy on the body, trades like mine are the exception. I deserve nothing from that, and I take nothing away from the lengths an athlete goes to just to stay in shape.
Again brother, I'm not looking to spark an argument. I'm damn sure not looking for an "atta boi" or any sort of validation from anybody here. I have worked with a lot of high school athletes, a handful of UT football players, a bunch of semi pro boxers, and a third baseman who played minor leagues for Tennessee. While my trade may not necessarily require the physical dedication of a pro athlete, it damn sure takes some sand to do it. Like I said, I've had quite a few athletes over the years come out and work it for a summer, and I hear the same thing every time from them. That it's the hardest thing they've ever done. Come holler at me in 95 degree weather and lets build a foundation off the side of a mountain so that vacationers can come and experience a view that they'll never get back home. Again, not to say that you're wrong in any way with the statement you made. But I'm kinda sitting over here in the corner with my hand raised like "yo...I work pretty fkin hard just to be able to continue working at a physical job." It's not for everybody, but it's what I was put here to do. Well, that and talk Sixers basketball with the boys on RealGM. Not everyone out here has a kush job with an office and chair to sit in.
As for Embiid...I just want to see him healthy again. I don't watch Sixers basketball because of how much money they make. In my opinion how much they make is totally irrelevant to me being entertained and basically in love with the sport. Just because I don't make six figures to play ball doesn't mean that I expect Joel Embiid to come out and run up and down hills for me "just to see what it's like in the real world." In fact, a lot of these athletes come from bad situations. Allen Iverson was poor growing up. VJ Edgecombe basically told us that his family lived off of a generator. I actually applaud these guys for rising above the situation they were dealt. It makes for motivation in my life. So there. No more.
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You're not most people, brother! Hell, I'd say you're a pretty big exception among tradesman based on my experience. I've met more than my fair share of fat lazy ones. I worked doing field inspection work for about 10 years, so you probably would have had an issue with me from the start if you knew that

You do have to understand that your work ethic/experience is a pretty big departure from the typical American than though, right?
Being an NBA player might not be the most demanding of job, but it's a pretty damn demanding one in general when you factor all that goes into it.
I get annoyed at work if they even ask me to spend a night away from my family. The travel schedule alone would drive me insane.
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This, but apparently alot of people prefer that because he's a millionaire is suck it up buttercup, **** your feelings, that's life.mjkvol wrote:MVP1992 wrote:Not many of these NBA millionaires have ever had a real job nor worked a normal hard day in their lives.
Maybe for social education and a bit of a wake up to reality, these guys could go do some actual work in the off season to see what the real world is like.
Embiid could go barrow concrete for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 2 months helping disaster recovery areas post floods or fires.
He'd be ripped. (green font)
Might humble them a bit. Might act less like entitled prima donnas.
Embiid receives more in one week than most earn in 10 - 15 years, not including endorsements.
In 1 month he receives more than a lot will in their entire working lives.
Just posted this in the first Embiid thread right before it ended in response to another comparison of a pro athlete to every day workers:
This is an argument you hear too often that to me is absolutely inane. Comparing a normal 9-5 job to that of a professional athlete at the highest level is way beyond apples and oranges. It's utterly ridiculous, unless your job requires you to have skills that a fraction of one percent of the population possess, provides you generational wealth, and has you in the public spotlight 24-7-365.
I don't disagree that Embiid shares in the blame for much of what has gone on here, but I'll repeat what I posted earlier regarding comparisons between Embiid and a player like Duncan, who we have wanted him to emulate. Look at the upbringing, college experience, maturity upon being drafted, situations they were drafted into with regard to quality of organization, coaching, team leaders they had as rookies, and talent they were surrounded with throughout their careers. On the surface alone the comparison is absurd.
The Sixers drafted a kid completely unequipped to deal with all that came with being the face of a franchise, butchered his treatment at every turn, scapegoated him instead of taking responsibility, never built a proper roster around him or hired competent coaches, and yet expected him to play superman and win championships. Name the player who would have thrived in such a situation.
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Not sure why we need to be objective with an organization that has the most insane medical staff, coddled Ben Simmons, allowed burnergate etc. Why should they get the benefit of the doubt at all? It's not the same because it's one person against an entire organization.Iverson Armband wrote:mjkvol wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:Except when it comes to the organization. You have no problem assigning blame when it comes to them.
I don't think it's too big a secret how dysfunctional this organization has been for a long time now.
The point is, you can’t have objective eyes for Joel and not afford the organization the same luxury. As has been mentioned, not everything that went wrong the organization had control over either. Let’s not also act like the Sixers organization is some kind of concentration camp. They’ve made mistakes, but it hasn’t been all terrible either.
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eyeatoma wrote:Not sure why we need to be objective with an organization that has the most insane medical staff, coddled Ben Simmons, allowed burnergate etc. Why should they get the benefit of the doubt at all? It's not the same because it's one person against an entire organization.Iverson Armband wrote:mjkvol wrote:
I don't think it's too big a secret how dysfunctional this organization has been for a long time now.
The point is, you can’t have objective eyes for Joel and not afford the organization the same luxury. As has been mentioned, not everything that went wrong the organization had control over either. Let’s not also act like the Sixers organization is some kind of concentration camp. They’ve made mistakes, but it hasn’t been all terrible either.
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You don’t understand why it’s important to be objective? If you just want to absolve Embiid of any and all blame, then yeah I guess you wouldn’t need to be objective.
Objectively, the organization didn’t “allow” burnergate. That was all Colangelo and once it came to light, they addressed it. Yeah, they coddled Simmons just like they coddled Embiid. And once they stopped coddling Simmons, you see how he acted. They’re still coddling Embiid, to the tune of giving him $200M extensions while he’s broken down that he doesn’t even deserve, letting him coast in to seasons while he misses meetings and gives them his ass to kiss. He didn’t think the org was incompetent enough not to run and sign that lucrative extension, did he?
The medical stuff is fair.
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youngcrev wrote:Spoiler:
You're not most people, brother! Hell, I'd say you're a pretty big exception among tradesman based on my experience. I've met more than my fair share of fat lazy ones. I worked doing field inspection work for about 10 years, so you probably would have had an issue with me from the start if you knew that
You do have to understand that your work ethic/experience is a pretty big departure from the typical American than though, right?
Being an NBA player might not be the most demanding of job, but it's a pretty damn demanding one in general when you factor all that goes into it.
I get annoyed at work if they even ask me to spend a night away from my family. The travel schedule alone would drive me insane.
I try my best man. But would never compare myself to what these guys do. Jordan, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron have set the example as far as what it takes to be at the top of your game in the NBA. I think Maxey belongs in that category and from the sound of it, Edgecombe too. That's where you'll see the difference between Edgecombe and Ace Bailey.
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I don't think the article absolves Embiid of anything really, it mostly just gives you background of what he's been going through and fleshes him out as human being. Honestly, if anything it shows how difficult he is to work with. The deep seated trust issues. The never answering phone calls or texts. It does make me feel for the guy, but at the same time this is a person that would drive you crazy and only gets away with his actions due to the immense talent he has.
I'm glad he's seeking help through therapy. Going through life alone is no way to go about things. Seems like a lot of his trust issues lead to some unintentional selfishness.
Like, I'm sure in his head he says I'm putting in all this extra work just to get on the floor, I'll show up when I show up... But that doesn't really fly. The extra stuff is extra, on top of your other responsibilities. You've got to figure out how to be there for your teammates, or it creates a bad work environment. You're already unreliable in terms of being able to actually play, you can't also be unreliable in terms of the things you can actually control.
I'm glad he's seeking help through therapy. Going through life alone is no way to go about things. Seems like a lot of his trust issues lead to some unintentional selfishness.
Like, I'm sure in his head he says I'm putting in all this extra work just to get on the floor, I'll show up when I show up... But that doesn't really fly. The extra stuff is extra, on top of your other responsibilities. You've got to figure out how to be there for your teammates, or it creates a bad work environment. You're already unreliable in terms of being able to actually play, you can't also be unreliable in terms of the things you can actually control.