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According to a source, some teams have interest in Carney. I say get rid of him.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2 ... ssive.html

A source indicated that some teams had asked about Carney's availability. Stefanski said the Sixers were still evaluating him.

"I have to see more of Rodney to make an evaluation; it's too early," Stefanski said. "He's a superior athlete, has a great attitude, and I think as the season progresses, you will see more and more from Rodney."

Its my birthday and this is a gift.

the cynic in me says the source is stefanski trying to drum up additional (or any) interest. many suspect he's doing the same thing with regards to andre miller. but that's a different thread.

despite our frustrations with carney, it's not crazy to think there's a market for carney. stefanski's quotes -- regarding his athleticism -- are accurate. he wanted people to know the kid has a great attitude. so, if GMs/scouts scour the tapes and see that his skills are workable, it could be a birthday gift to us all.

Happy Birthday but I'm not sure that Rodney will get moved unless he's part of a package trade. Trading Carney straight up isn't going to bring anything of value back and his salary is so small that it's not as though he needs to be dealt for salary cap purposes.

Perhaps Carney will go if Ed moved Evans.

I'd package Carney with Evans in a second if it meant back we got at least half of what the 2 make in an expiring deal (along with a player to make salaries match). Might only be about 2.5 mil in added cap space, but I would still do it.

If Carney can be the carrot to get people to take Green/Evans off our hands for expirings, I'm all for it. I don't think Carney really has a role on this team going forward.

It puzzles me to no end why people are so quick to get rid of young players with upside.

Last year people were screaming for Dalembert to be dumped because he would "never" get it. Now he's one of the cornerstones for the franchise.

Louis Williams was a clueless gunner who would "never" be a point guard in this league. Now he is one of the brightest young prospects.

John Salmons was a bum who was lucky to be in the league. Now he's averaging 20 pts a game.

You have to have patience with young players. Very rarely are you going to find an impact rookie. You have to develop them. You don't just get rid of a guy because he has a few bad games early in his career.

Last year people were screaming for Dalembert to be dumped because he would "never" get it. Now he's one of the cornerstones for the franchise.

Dalembert's hardly a cornerstone of a franchise.

Louis Williams was a clueless gunner who would "never" be a point guard in this league. Now he is one of the brightest young prospects.

I don't think many people expressed strong opinions on Louis Williams because nobody had any real playing time to base that off of.

John Salmons was a bum who was lucky to be in the league. Now he's averaging 20 pts a game.

He's averaging 16. On a terrible team. And only because of injuries.

Salmons fell out of favor because his previous strengths (defense, setting people up) were lost because of his newfound fondness of isolation plays and 1-1 play, which surprisingly manifested itself in a contract year. I think most people saw inherent skill to be a solid player, but people began questioning his motives.

And, of course, the biggest fallacy of your post. Lumping everyone into generalizations and pretending everyone shared a general opinion.

I'm optimistc that Carney will somehow "see the light" and become a real factor, but I don't see that happening.

You have always disliked Dalembert, so I'm not suprised you would say that. Peep the article. Sounds like he's a cornerstone.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... __too.html

All this talk about whether Andre Iguodala will be around when new president/GM Ed Stefanski builds this team into a contender, all the talk about whether Andre Miller is more valuable as bait or bailsman, seems to obscure an even bigger, 6-11 question.

Namely, is Sammy a piece to be bargained off or built around?

"No question in my mind Sammy can be part of that future," Stefanski said before last night's game. "Really, he's key. There aren't many shot-blockers in the league. And it's huge."

"Maybe it's a honeymoon but since I've been here he's been playing at a high level," Stefanski said. "He's been one of the better centers in the league from the standpoint of rebounding, shots blocked, intimidation. And he's scoring points . . . You can't find guys in the league who can protect the basket like that. When he's in there it makes our perimeter defense better because he's back there. So to get this thing to where we want to go, having a shot-blocker back there is very important."

Never heard you specifically talk about Williams or Salmons, but there were many detractors.

Now back to my point. You have to give young players time to develop instead of calling them bums or wanting them traded. Can you argue that point?

I wonder if he can be moved for a big? I'm thinking Johan Petro from Seattle, who has a glut of bigs (Petro, Swift, Collison, Thomas). I think Petro can play but he, for some reason, has played himself out of the rotation.

Trade works, btw.

Another guy the Sixers should try to pick up is Joey Graham from Toronto. He's not fitting in in Toronto because he's underachieved but has shown flashes of being very good. I think a trade to the Sixers would give him a fresh start that he needs.

Trade straight up for Carney also works.

You have always disliked Dalembert, so I'm not suprised you would say that. Peep the article. Sounds like he's a cornerstone.

Sounds like GM speak.

Now back to my point. You have to give young players time to develop instead of calling them bums or wanting them traded. Can you argue that point?

Yeah. He was average as a 22 year old senior in college. He's now hugely disappointing as a soon-to-be 24 year old player. He's never been great, on any level above high school, was overrated as a prospect, and has done nothing to change my opinion.

The problem with Carney that differs him from other projects (which he isn't, he's almost as old as Iguodala) is that he's shown no flashes of superior skill. All he can do is run and dunk. He can't dribble, he can't shoot very well, and he's the second most selfish player on the team behind Willie.

Thaddeus has already shown that he can/will be a player in this league, and he's only 19.

The biggest problem I have with Carney is his shooting. The guys strength was supposed to be his shooting and his speed/jumping ability. The shooting is god awful. I have never seen someone so consistently shoots 3's that are absoulte bricks. They hit off the backboard, they hit the rim and bounce over the backboard, they are sometimes airballs...they just look real bad. I wouldn't have a problem if his misses were just a tad off (much like Korver when he would miss). Then you see him shoot FT's and that's just as bad. He had one a few games ago that was basically an air ball (just grazed the front of the rim). He has a very limited mid range game too. Most of his shots from field are too strong. About the only thing he does well is run the court and dunk. That little floater in the lane has a chance to be decent, but right now it never looks like it will go down when it leaves his hand. He has almost no ability to put the ball on the floor and take more than one dribble.

I have tried to like Carney. I was actually a supporter when we drafted him. I just haven't seen enough from him to indicate he's going to be a good player in the next 2-3 years. You shouldn't have to wait 4-5 years for college seniors to develop their skills to the point of being a decent NBA player. I'm not talking about a star or anything in that time...I'm just talking about him being a consistent contributor off the bench. IMO he's very expendable if it means he can be packaged with Evans or Green to get back expirings. I'd much rather have the cap space to use it on a proven player vs. waiting and hoping Carney turns into something other than a bench warmer.

Carney's biggest problem was that he attended the worst college to get any player ready for the pro game, and that's Memphis. No school is worse. And, if you're looking for the nEXT Carney, look no further than Douglas-Roberts of memphis.


This dude has Carney written all over him. Memphis team success will get him drafted. But he will be a zero. And I think Rose is also close to that level too. The longer he stays at that stupid, silly program with a coach who benches players if they DON"T at least attempt 35-55 3 Pt shots a game.


Worst system in college history on preparing players for the Pro game. And for developing the correct fundamentals.

Louis Williams wrote:It puzzles me to no end why people are so quick to get rid of young players with upside.

Carney doesn't have upside though. He's 24 years old and doesn't possess an above average skill on the basketball court.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he has no upside. He's got limited upside, but I guess maybe I'm just nitpicking, since I definitely see your point.

Anyways, if we need to trade him to get up to the $13+ million level in cap space, then go ahead and do it. Otherwise, there is no use in dumping him, since there is a chance he actually turns into something decent and there is no way we get anything worthwhile for him at this point.

You guys are right on the money in terms of Carney as a sweetener in an Evans/Green salary dump. If there's any posturing, that's exactly what's going on here.

However, Ed is legitimately still evaluating Carney. It was a foregone conclusion when Ed stepped in that Miller would be dealt. But he did his due diligence, and ultimately changed his mind on Miller, correctly. He's giving Carney the same benefit of a fair evaluation process. Also, there's no rush to ship Carney because his contract is harmless. So the organization is simply waiting for Carney to show something that warrants keeping him.

But there is undeniable league-wide interest in Carney. This shouldn't be a surprise, considering Carney's youth, athleticism and contract. Even Detroit has real interest in Carney.

Furthermore, Ed is smart enough to know that decent, backup, wing-men come a dime a dozen in this league. And Carney <<< both Iggy and Thad. Therefore, Carney will only be a backup in Philly. And backup slashers are the easiest position to find in the NBA. So he is expendable.

Because no team is willing to take on Evans / Green for an expiring without a sweetener, Carney becomes the carrot, as mentioned. It's either Carney or the future 1st rounder we got from the Jazz. Which would you rather deal?

Fire BK wrote:
But there is undeniable league-wide interest in Carney. This shouldn't be a surprise, considering Carney's youth, athleticism and contract. Even Detroit has real interest in Carney.

According to whom?

a legitimate Pistons source.