Miller part of long term plan?

IggyTheBEaST · Post #1 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:03 pm

Our new GM keeps talking about Miller as part of our core for the future.

How far in the future is he talking here? We all know Millers deal is up in 2 years, but Ed keeps reiterating that Andre is going to continue to be a big part of this team.

Now I know some of us just think thats a way to drive up his asking price, but assuming he is serious;

I cant help but wonder:

If the Sixers Do Sign a Big Name while Miller is still in Philly,

Do you think Miller would actually stay with the Sixers?

ITK9 · Post #2 » by **ITK9** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:10 pm

unless a great offer comes ,yes he will stay imho.

Post #3 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:11 pm

If the Sixers bring in another good vet and make the playoff's next year I could see him taking the MLE or a bit more to stay here.

sports savant · Post #4 » by **sports savant** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:31 pm

I cant see him taking the MLE. not at age 33 or so. and if he was to do that, I dont think it would be on the East Coast.

ES can be posturing. He states that he's not MAKING calls but he's TAKING calls.... well who's calling him?? how many times do they call back??

He could also be tellin exactly what he's planning. to be honest, just about ANYTHING could happen!!

I mean is there one single player that all of us are 100% certain will be on this team at the start of next yr??? You can S&T IGGY, trade Miller either at deadline or b4 draft (for bigger player and/or from a team that needs cap relief), Carney, Green, Evans...easily traded...

I mean the fact that there are soooo many options is aggravating, but at the same time, its better than having NO OPTIONS AT ALL....

Then what you have left is Thad, Lou, Jason Smith and MOST LIKELY, but not certain is our current draft pick-- but who knows, maybe that gets traded to Houston w Andre Milller for McGrady??? (i was just trying 2 make a point-- not saying its viable...)

Post #5 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:56 pm

An MLE contract does not mean it has to only be a one year contract. I believe if you are over the cap you can sign a player to the MLE the first year with subsequent yearly raises.

This would be something like a 4 year contract starting at 5.8M for a total of 4 yrs and 26M. We could always offer him another 1M/yr if we are still under the cap. I don't see how he would get that much more on the open market at age 33- but I could be wrong.

Post #6 » by **dbodner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:05 am

I don't think Ed's going to move Miller to try to get more cap space this summer. I don't think he feels that's going to be worth giving him up to do so. I do believe Ed's going to try to shave off some more cap room, see what happens in the draft and free agency, and see where we are next year and whether or not we've rebuilt fast enough that Miller could be useful to us. I think he's looking at it as "right now we have more cap space than any other team, we have more cap space than anyone and we're only a few million away from the max, let's see if we can hit a home run this year, and worst case scenario we can try again in 2009". I don't think he's going to be mortgaging his future to hit a home run in the 2008 fa, and I think that's why he'll keep andre miller this year.

Not that I necessarily agree with that.

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #7 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:01 am

I am watching the Blazers/ Celtics game right now and I can't help but think that Miller woul be the ultimate PG for both teams.

He would be a pass first PG for the stars in Bostona nd he would be the ultimate veteran to ensure that the Portland success continues as these young players hit their respective walls later in the season.

I have stated this before, many times, but I have a feeling that ES will deal Miller and sign Calderon in the offseason.

Sixersftw · Post #8 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:05 am

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:I have stated this before, many times, but I have a feeling that ES will deal Miller and sign Calderon in the offseason.

i sure hope your right.

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #9 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:15 am

Es making a move for Calderon makes too much sense to me. By moving Miller, we increase cap space, bring back talent and likely a pick or 2. This additional cap space allows for a Calderon move as well as a move for a PF.

Calderon is playing his way to being one of the restricted FA prizes. Also, the Raptors already have an expensive PG. How much cap sense would it make to have big $$ tied up in 2 PG's.

Living in Canaa, I am able to watch a large # of Raptor games and I have grown to really appreciate Calderon's game. I root for them every night, except when they are playing my 6ers.

Sixersftw · Post #10 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:32 am

I really like calderon's game. He is a bit conservative at time but that is really the only major knock on him I have. If fast eddie moves miller for a pick and space and then picks up [dream world] brand, Calderon, Top 8 rookie then we are set [ /dream world]

I just don't see the raps letting calderon go. T.j.'s injury history is too troubling to let him go.

sports savant · Post #11 » by **sports savant** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:56 am

Portland will NOT trade for andre miller w Rudy Fernandez waiting overseas. They have a lot of players and at least two guys overseas. They aren't going to give anything away for a chance to win a few more games this yr. You really gotta think they are proud of what's going on this yr, but have to be really waitin for ODEN next yr b4 they begin to put FINAL pieces together....

if you didnt see this on ESPN: it gives a good run-down of 10 teams that will most likely be making deals at the deadline

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2 ... Watch.html

IggyTheBEaST · Post #12 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:30 am

just because portland is young doesnt mean they dotn want to compete. Most franchises would kill for a young team thats already competitive.

sports savant · Post #13 » by **sports savant** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:08 am

they already are competitive! and they have a young (22yr old) pg overseas, not to mention Jarret Jack.

I just dont think they trade for andre miller and his 9million contract for the rest of this yr and next yr.

do you??

they dont really have anyone to trade, or whom they dont really use.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #14 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:58 am

I never said they wernt competitve. I said they WERE

steveb21 · Post #15 » by **steveb21** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:21 pm

I'm guessing that the only way Miller doesn't fit into our long range plans is if we're in position to draft Derrick Rose.

Ed has consistently talked about building a team from the inside out. The unspoken part of that equasion is that you need a good point guard who can get the ball down low.

I'm really curious how the Igoudala situation will work out this summer. We all know how Iggy has over-valued himself. I have a gut feeling that Miller factors more into the long range plan than Iggy.

ankle420breaker · Post #16 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:19 pm

If we can hit a home run in free agency and manage to hang on to Miller, then I'd consider that a job well done. If hanging on to Miller turns out to be a determinant in not being able to make that splash in free agency, then I'd be at odds with Ed's strategy.

STChaser · Post #17 » by **STChaser** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:36 pm

Hate to say it but it's almost a shame that Miller hasn't been out a few weeks with (minor) injury because it would really give us a chance to see just how much of a drop-off there would be with Lou running the show. It's hard to move Miller when you don't know what your backup guards can give you.

STChaser

IglooKing2 · Post #18 » by **IglooKing2** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:47 pm

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:I am watching the Blazers/ Celtics game right now and I can't help but think that Miller woul be the ultimate PG for both teams.

Portland's going to have some cap space in '09. I wouldn't be surprised if they used it to make a run at Miller.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #19 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:59 pm

depends how jack pans out

LieCheatSteal · Post #20 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:47 pm

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:Es making a move for Calderon makes too much sense to me. By moving Miller, we increase cap space, bring back talent and likely a pick or 2. This additional cap space allows for a Calderon move as well as a move for a PF.

Calderon is playing his way to being one of the restricted FA prizes. Also, the Raptors already have an expensive PG. How much cap sense would it make to have big $$ tied up in 2 PG's.

Living in Canaa, I am able to watch a large # of Raptor games and I have grown to really appreciate Calderon's game. I root for them every night, except when they are playing my 6ers.

How much can the Sixers offer for Calderon anyways? If they offer the max, then forget the Raptors matching. Yes, the Sixers have cap space but how much can they give for a guy that's has a lot of game but is a little on the sieve side on defense? In Philly, Calderon could be eaten alive for that. The Sixers have to sign Iggy and Louis Williams, which could mean that they could only afford to give the mid for Calderon, an offer that could be matched by Colangelo with some ease. Plus, Forderon is key to Toronto's sucess... unless the Raptors think that their Serbian import, Roko Ukic, is good enough.