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Could Amare Be Traded? 

Post#1 » by THFM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:23 pm

Jan. 17, 2008
By Tony Mejia
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According to CBS Sportsline columnist Tony Mejia, Amare Stoudemire may just be obtainable via a trade after all.

According to Mejia, there are internal discussions being held in Phoenix regarding the availability of Stoudemire, who can opt out of his current deal following the 2009-10 season.
According to sources, there is one faction within the organization willing to deal the two-time All-Star, while another is dead set against it.

The trade deadline is roughly one month away, so discussions about who's available and what it would take to pry them off a roster are about to get hot and heavy. Between now and Feb. 21, you're going to hear a lot a names being thrown around. That's how it works. There's no way to know who is untouchable and who isn't unless you ask, right?

Sources around the league have told CBSSports.com that there are internal discussions being held in Phoenix regarding the availability of star center Amare Stoudemire, who can opt out of his current deal following the 2009-10 season. According to sources, there is one faction within the organization willing to deal the two-time All-Star, while another is dead set against it.


Will block machine Amare Stoudemire be involved in a blockbuster? (Getty Images)
This season, Stoudemire is blocking shots with a regularity we've never seen from him. He has blocked at least one shot in every game since Nov. 28, and his current average of 2.2 is easily the highest of his six seasons.

While Stoudemire has improved as a defender, whispers that his increasing frustration with not being the focal point of the team's fast-paced offense have become a distraction -- and could be a reason some within the organization would be willing to move him if the right offer comes along.

Shawn Marion asked for a trade in the offseason, but the Suns have been more than satisfied with his professional approach. He has been as consistent as ever, again leading the team in rebounding despite playing away from his natural position of small forward while also serving as the team's defensive stopper, guarding everyone from point guards to power forwards. He's as invaluable as Steve Nash is to Phoenix's style.

Tuesday's disappointing 97-90 loss to the L.A. Clippers was the Suns' second in three games. It was also their lowest-scoring performance with Nash, Stoudemire and Marion all in the lineup since last year's Game 3 loss to the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs, the only game they dropped in that series

Something is obviously amiss, and chemistry seems to be the major issue. So where does this leave Stoudemire? Even those in favor of shipping him out know he's among the most feared big men in the game, so getting back equal value is a must, regardless of how badly the Suns need a facelift. If GM Steve Kerr is swayed to make a move, it will definitely take someone along the lines of Memphis' Pau Gasol or Toronto's Chris Bosh to get a deal accomplished.

Chicago might be willing to dangle Luol Deng and some of its younger big men, but that type of deal would set the Suns back, as far as their championship aspirations are concerned. The same goes for Milwaukee, which has young bargaining chips in Yi Jianlian and Charlie Villanueva to pair with Michael Redd in a blockbuster package

The sweepstakes before last season's deadline centered on landing Allen Iverson from Philly; numerous names were floated as potential trade pieces, with as much as two-thirds of the NBA involved in exploratory talks. If Phoenix is willing to part with Stoudemire, a similar situation could ensue. He'd be the biggest name available and not Tracy McGrady, who was right to laugh off rumors that he's on the next flight out of Houston. That's not the case, in part because the Rockets wouldn't get full value, given his current knee issues.

Here are other players who should be in close contact with their agents over the coming month, because the word is out that they're available in the right deal:

Gasol, Memphis: If the Stoudemire situation winds up producing little more than water-cooler talk, Gasol could wind up being the biggest name dealt. He was one of the big fish discussed last year after declaring he wanted out of Memphis, and he remains a coveted piece due to his size, skill and, most important, the fact the Grizzlies haven't declared him untouchable.

"I live in Chicago and all they talk about up there is getting Pau. So he must be pretty valuable. He's a great post guy. But by discussing him I don't mean we're out there shopping them. If we trade one of our guys, we've got to get a lot back that's good," owner Michael Heisley told the Memphis Commercial-Appeal.

"It's interesting that we sit around talking about the possibly trading Pau and nobody finds anything wrong with that. But when Pau says, 'Hey, maybe I'd like to go to a contending team,' then he's disloyal to do that. I never took it that way."





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Post#2 » by THFM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:24 pm

Gasol struggled to warm up to new coach Marc Iavaroni's up-tempo style but has played his best basketball of the season over the past two weeks, averaging close to 24 points, 11.4 rebounds, 3.1 assists and nearly two blocks. Despite his efforts, the Grizzlies have lost five in a row entering Friday's game against Seattle and are again headed to the lottery.

As Heisley said, the Bulls have long been hot for Gasol, but they'll have to come hard to the bargaining table to pry him loose. That goes for everyone else, too, but given how rare it is to get a 7-footer of his caliber, expect there to be multiple teams putting presentations together.

Andre Miller, Philadelphia: New GM Ed Stefanski has repeated over and over that he won't give his point guard away. But common sense seems to indicate that unless the Sixers plan on giving Miller the money he wants when he becomes a free agent in the summer of '09, they're going to sacrifice his current high market value and miss on a good opportunity to continue cutting costs as they rebuild.

Mike Bibby, Sacramento: He was almost part of the Cleveland Cavaliers and seems destined to be wearing something other than a Kings uniform within the next month. The Cavs are still the leaders for his services but have reportedly been hesitant to take on Kenny Thomas' contract, which Sacramento wants to saddle them with to get a deal done.

Miami is another potential suitor, given that it can use his acquisition as something to help its fan base get excited about next season. But owner Mickey Arison throws a wrench into those plans by making it clear he wants no part of paying a luxury tax. Bibby hit four 3-pointers in his return to the Kings lineup Wednesday, but considering they've been able to get along without him by finding Beno Udrih on the scrap heap and giving John Salmons a greater role, he's definitely expendable.

Flip Murray, Detroit: He lost his spot once rookie Rodney Stuckey returned from his thumb injury and hasn't played since Dec. 12. As another guard with decent handle and good size, he could be attractive to a contender. Though the Pistons wouldn't be thrilled to offer aid to anyone they could potentially meet in the postseason, at this point they would be willing to accommodate all comers given their desire to bring Chris Webber on board.

There has been noise about Webber potentially winding up in Orlando or with the Lakers now that they need someone to help fill Andrew Bynum's shoes for a few months. Don't buy it. Webber has been patient this long in waiting to re-join Detroit and will ultimately end up on his hometown team. He understands that he'll be the fourth big man behind Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess and Jason Maxiell and reportedly is good with that. Staying close to home will afford him in what is undoubtedly his best shot at earning a ring. All that stands between him rejoining the Pistons in the coming weeks is them opening up a roster spot, which they'll do by moving Murray.

Jason Williams, Miami: The Heat were looking to replace him as the starter when they threw money at Mo Williams this summer, so Williams has known his time in Miami has been coming to an end for some time now. He told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that players are "like some high-paid prostitutes anyway in this league. They just use and get rid of us whenever they want." With his contract expiring at season's end, he's probably correct in asserting that the Heat consider him expendable if the right deal comes along.

Ricky Davis, Miami: He didn't work out as the Heat hoped he would when they shipped Antoine Walker to Minnesota, so Davis is in teammate Williams' boat since his contract expires this summer as well.

Sam Cassell, L.A. Clippers: Cassell also has an expiring deal, and considering he's 38 years old, he knows his time is running short and wants nothing more than another opportunity to win a championship. Scoring 32 points in 32 minutes against Phoenix was as strong an audition tape as he could've ever imagined coming up with, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him get his wish.

Damon Stoudamire, Memphis: Like Cassell, Stoudamire is in the twilight of his career but still has a lot to offer a team in a reduced role. His best bet might ultimately be to accept a buyout from the Grizzlies since he's no longer receiving playing time, which would leave him open to sign with anyone he chooses. Given his college ties to Arizona and relationship with Kerr, Phoenix seems like a realistic possibility.

Mike James, Houston: He'll be crushed to hear this, but the Rockets are looking to move him again. James was thrilled to come back to the city where he put down roots but has played in just two of the past 11 games after falling out of Rick Adelman's rotation in favor of rookie Aaron Brooks. James still feels he has a lot of basketball left and has a championship ring from his days with Detroit, so it's possible a contender comes calling for his experience.

Mickael Pietrus, Golden State: He's open to a new suitor, and the Warriors are willing to move him if the right deal comes along. Although he's seeing time in Don Nelson's rotation, it's clear Pietrus has become replaceable, and he'd like to showcase his skills somewhere that would afford him more minutes and opportunities.

Jamaal Magloire, New Jersey: He has been phased out in favor of younger bigs Josh Boone and Sean Williams, playing more than five minutes in a game just twice since Dec. 7. A team in need of veteran size might ultimately swoop in and rescue him from a bad situation.



If this is the case with Amare I say ED tries a package with Miller, Evans, Green, and Jason Smith with a future 1st round pick.
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Post#3 » by sec-106 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:25 pm

The question should be "Do The Sixers Have Enough To Get Amare".
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Post#4 » by THFM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:45 pm

sec-106 wrote:The question should be "Do The Sixers Have Enough To Get Amare".


That is true, I think as a serious offer this should work if I am not mistaken

Sign & Trade Iggy, Miller, Evans, Giricek & future 1st rounder

for

Amare & filler

It gives Phoniex there back up point guard, a SF in Iggy to replace Marion, a rebounder in Evans and expiring with giricek and future 1st round pick...
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Post#5 » by SendEm » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:58 pm

Trade everything at ONCE but Dalembert for Amare. Every player on our roster plus two first rounders should get Amare...
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Post#6 » by Mahorn at the 4 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:06 pm

Perhaps it would need to be a 3 way deal with:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

to Philly- Amare
to Denver- Miller and Willie Green, Utah's #1 pick from Korver trade
to Phoenix- Camby and Reggie Evans

What do we think? We could use the cap room to sign Calderon in the summer.
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Post#7 » by THFM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:14 pm

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:Perhaps it would need to be a 3 way deal with:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

to Philly- Amare
to Denver- Miller and Willie Green, Utah's #1 pick from Korver trade
to Phoenix- Camby and Reggie Evans

What do we think? We could use the cap room to sign Calderon in the summer.


I think the deal had a lot of potential until I saw what Phoniex got. It's good for Phoenix but bad for Denver. Denver isn't going to trade camby for miller and willie green, who would be there center?
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Post#8 » by SendEm » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:15 pm

Mahorn at the 4 wrote:Perhaps it would need to be a 3 way deal with:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

to Philly- Amare
to Denver- Miller and Willie Green, Utah's #1 pick from Korver trade
to Phoenix- Camby and Reggie Evans

What do we think? We could use the cap room to sign Calderon in the summer.


Denver is not trading away Camby for a SF and PG...
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Post#9 » by The Guilty Party » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:21 pm

Listen man... I've been all over this "Amare" thing for a couple of months and here's what I've determined.

- I don't believe Phoenix is going to trade Amare during the season.

- I do believe that the Sixers have a chance because of their ability to package cap space (Phoenix has shown they care more about money than winning), draft picks (rather than send 2 picks spread out over 3 years, we can send them our Top Ten pick this year and Utah's pick next year), and young players.

- Like most teams, I believe Phoenix will want to send their star player to the other conference. If Amare isn't dealt before the deadline, Chicago will not have the pieces to get a deal done for him unless Phoenix wants to take back some salary which I highly doubt.
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Post#10 » by The Guilty Party » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:25 pm

The problem with dealing Sam for Amare (and not a problem to me) is that I highly doubt Phoenix will want to deal Amare's contract and take back Sam's.

I wouldn't be shocked if Kerr tries, and successfully does, include Marcus Banks' contract is a deal with Amare.
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Post#11 » by Sixersftw » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:30 pm

Marcus banks really isn't a dealbreaker for me. Marcus Banks, although overpaid, isn't the worst player in the world.

Sam won't be moved in any amare deal due to the salary like you said and he shouldn't be because amare is a liability on defense. having sam back there to would be oh so good.
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Post#12 » by THFM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:30 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Listen man... I've been all over this "Amare" thing for a couple of months and here's what I've determined.

- I don't believe Phoenix is going to trade Amare during the season.

- I do believe that the Sixers have a chance because of their ability to package cap space (Phoenix has shown they care more about money than winning), draft picks (rather than send 2 picks spread out over 3 years, we can send them our Top Ten pick this year and Utah's pick next year), and young players.

- Like most teams, I believe Phoenix will want to send their star player to the other conference. If Amare isn't dealt before the deadline, Chicago will not have the pieces to get a deal done for him unless Phoenix wants to take back some salary which I highly doubt.


I agree with everything you say but I WOULD NOT include this years 1st rounder if we get a top three pick...
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Post#13 » by Mahorn at the 4 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:44 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Try this 3 way with Chi and Phx.

Philly- Duhon, Amare
Phx- Booth, Tyrus Thomas, Gordon, Evans, Griifin, Utah pick
Chi- Miller, Carney, Raja Bell

Phoenix would be able to sign and trade Gordon in the summer.
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Post#14 » by Sixersftw » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:48 pm

chi would cut us out
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Post#15 » by Mahorn at the 4 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:55 pm

Chicago needs a PG, not more size.

When can Clev deal Varejao, maybe they can get in on a 3 way with us and Phx.
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Post#16 » by SendEm » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:01 pm

Any trade involving Amare will have just as many quality big men being traded as there are teams in the trade. Bank on it.
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Post#17 » by sec-106 » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:03 pm

My feeling is for Amare to PHI, Sixers need a very high pick in 2008.
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Post#18 » by The Guilty Party » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:15 pm

I agree about the Top 3 thing. By the way, in order for us to deal our cap space AND our pick, I believe we would have to agree to a deal on a draft night and then execute the deal sometime after July 1st.

I imagine TNT/ESPN would announce it and we would end up drafting someone for Phoenix. If we're outside of #5 (very likely), I would include our pick this year.
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Post#19 » by SouthJersey » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:40 pm

Agreed, keeping our first rounder protected is key. Could you imagine trading for Amare and drafting Jordan, that would be one of the sickest front courts in the NBA. We wouldnt want to give that up. D

Here's who I'm not including or who wouldnt go: Thad Young, Andre Miller. Thad just bc of his enormous potential, plus he probably wouldnt helps Phoenix anyway, and Miller bc Phoenix doesnt need a pg/ extra salary. So, I think thats all that wont go. Any combo of players could go then. Would Iguodala, Dalembert, and a 1st do it? I know those are two players that would fit their system. Plus, philly would have an advantage over Chicago bc we are sending them veteran players who have yet to hit their prime; Chicago can only send Deng, and young, inexperienced players. I dont think Phoenix would want that deal bc they have Nash and Marion and want to win now (plus do Deng and Marion clash bc they're kinda similar?). Even if Phoenix wants to go after Gasol, I doubt Amare would want to go to Memphis. Philly still wouldnt be that good, but aleast we got Andre Miller, and rookie who can play.

I think we definetly have the piece to get Amare if we want him.
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Post#20 » by sec-106 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:48 pm

Posted this on the Trade Board too.

Lost in the KK deal is the fact that the Sixers now can trade picks in back to back years, and if needed, 3 straight (PHI 2008, Utah 2009, PHI 2010).

Combined with the caproom, ES has some major flexibility.

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