Which player gets the least out of the most talent?

LieCheatSteal · Post #1 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:15 pm

Something interesting I found on another realgm team forum. I thought it will be worth some input from the realgm-ers here.

Source: http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/115456

"Which player gets the least out of the most talent?

Kwame Brown, Lakers C...... 17%
Tim Thomas, Clippers F...... 10%
Eddy Curry, Knicks C...... 7%
Vince Carter, Nets G...... 6%
Darko Milicic, Grizzlies C/F...... 5%
Tracy McGrady, Rockets G...... 4%
Darius Miles, Trail Blazers SF...... 4%
Stromile Swift, Grizzlies C/F...... 3%
J.R. Smith, Nuggets SG...... 3%
Gerald Green, Timberwolves G/F...... 2%

Based on a survey of 242 NBA Players

FAST FACTS: Drafted No. 1 out of high school by the Wizards in 2001, Brown has averaged more than 10 points in a season only once (2003-04); this year he was averaging 4.8 points in 20 games through Sunday.... The 6'10" Thomas has played for six teams in 11 years, never averaging better than 5.0 rebounds a season.... Carter has averaged more than 20 points in nine straight seasons.

This is an expanded version of the NBA poll from the January 21, 2008 issue of Sports Illustrated."

I'm personally surprised that Antoine Walker isn't on this.

UptownPhilly · Post #2 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:21 pm

LieCheatSteal wrote:
I'm personally surprised that Antoine Walker isn't on this.

He won a CHIP. That's good enough to keep him off the list. There are many more scrubs like Walker that could have been included.

ITK9 · Post #3 » by **ITK9** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:26 pm

imo marbury should be at the top of the list.he has a huge talent but it's too stuppid to use it.

eyeatoma · Post #4 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:31 pm

Out of that group, I would say Vince Carter. There was a time that he was being compared to Jordan, and in all seriousness I believed it back then...(First 3-4 years)...

The year he faced off against AI was incredible...If he had the same drive as kobe, I think he would be better. Kobe has the fearlessness, killer instinct, and an insatiable appetite to win. He works his ass off, and probably trains harder than any player in the league. If Carter did all of those things, he would be the best player int he league bar none. And I don't like Carter much anymore...so you know its not homerism.

SendEm · Post #5 » by **SendEm** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:47 pm

You have to first have talent. Kwame Brown is just tall and can run but he also has small hands and no skills. I think that Jordan ruined his confidence by lowering himself down to Kwame's level and competing directly against him in practice. Also Kwame Brown was drafted under the old NBA defensive rules, he was a one on one isolation PF like Karl Malone.

1.Joe Smith
2.Rasheed Wallace: always seemed like he could do much more

The Sixer Fixer · Post #6 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:05 pm

I'd have to add these 3 to that list...

1. Tyrus Thomas - maybe too early to categorize him
2. Al Harrington - no desire to rebound and doesn't play tough
3. Boris Diaw - can do so many things, but isn't consistent at all

barkley34 · Post #7 » by **barkley34** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:10 pm

Odom has had a nice career so least would be harsh but he has the raw talent to be much better. He should rack up triple doubles instead he tends to coast through games and plays lethargic at times.

ProcessDoctor · Post #8 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:26 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Out of that group, I would say Vince Carter. There was a time that he was being compared to Jordan, and in all seriousness I believed it back then...(First 3-4 years)...

The year he faced off against AI was incredible...If he had the same drive as kobe, I think he would be better. Kobe has the fearlessness, killer instinct, and an insatiable appetite to win. He works his ass off, and probably trains harder than any player in the league. If Carter did all of those things, he would be the best player int he league bar none. And I don't like Carter much anymore...so you know its not homerism.

That's what I was trying to tell these kids the other day. They think Kobe "is so much faster and has such a better shot." I think Carter could've been the next Jordan, he just relied on his athleticism too much.

SendEm · Post #9 » by **SendEm** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:40 pm

Yes I agree with Odom. There is no way that he shouldn't ATLEAST shoot a higher percentage and not miss as many layups as he misses.

LieCheatSteal · Post #10 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:33 pm

Carter's a punk. In his last years in Toronto, he wouldn't drive to the basket at all (which was what made him so effective in the first place). He would just take those (Please Use More Appropriate Word) 15 foot, fade away jump shots of his time after time. I think everyone hated him on that team.

If there was a current Sixer on this list, I would probably say it would be Carney.

Post #11 » by **Stanford** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:58 am

Come on with Vince Carter. Sure he's dogged it in he past, but he's had a pretty damn good career. Jordan had more than just natural talent. He wouldn't have been any better than Carter is he didn't have that mental drive.

sec-106 · Post #12 » by **sec-106** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:39 am

eyeatoma wrote:Out of that group, I would say Vince Carter. There was a time that he was being compared to Jordan, and in all seriousness I believed it back then...(First 3-4 years)...

The year he faced off against AI was incredible...

Still can't believe he missed that shot in Graduation Day Game 7.

eyeatoma · Post #13 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:35 am

Stanford wrote:Come on with Vince Carter. Sure he's dogged it in he past, but he's had a pretty damn good career. Jordan had more than just natural talent. He wouldn't have been any better than Carter is he didn't have that mental drive.

Exactly, its that mental drive that Carter lacks. Its what separates him from just a plain superstar (used to be one atleast) and an transcending player.

No one has ever had the amount of athleticism, shooting touch, ability to get to the rim, and the supposed killer instinct that carter had in his early years. Until the 01 playoffs Carter was playing better with each passing year, and improving in every area. If he wasn't such a pussy, and would take his injuries like a man, continued to drive to the whole with reckless abandon, I think he woudl have been better than Kobe.

Stanford I'm sure you remember how good he was back then. He was definitely better than Kobe at that age. In my opinion Carter has the most talent of any player in the league, his mentality just wasn't the right fit for his natural gifts.

Post #14 » by **Stanford** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:38 am

I understand, but come on. He's had a pretty damn good career. There's lots of players who have done nothing at all with lots of talent. And I mean nothing.

eyeatoma · Post #15 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:46 am

Stanford wrote:I understand, but come on. He's had a pretty damn good career. There's lots of players who have done nothing at all with lots of talent. And I mean nothing.

Agreed, at least Carter took advantage of about 60-70% of his god given ability.

Even still I think the leap he woudl have made had he been as dedicated as some players in the league (Kobe/AI/Garnett/Duncan) would have been unfathomable.

Now for players who haven't done squat with what they had...I would say Darius Miles.

nets150551 · Post #16 » by **nets150551** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:02 am

andre igudala for vince carter

eyeatoma · Post #17 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:47 am

nets150551 wrote:andre igudala for vince carter

Vince Carter circa 01, hells yeah!!

Vince Carter right now??

Are you crazy????

darius08 · Post #18 » by **darius08** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:44 am

If there were a hall of fame for players who did the least with the most, the first inductee should be Derrick Coleman. Talentwise, he was arguably the best power-forward of all time. Achievement wise....

eyeatoma · Post #19 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:13 am

darius08 wrote:If there were a hall of fame for players who did the least with the most, the first inductee should be Derrick Coleman. Talentwise, he was arguably the best power-forward of all time. Achievement wise....

Coleman was my first choice, but I thought we were talking about current players.

Agree with you whole heartedly...DC did it all in college, and looked like he would in his first couple of years in the NBA.

SendEm · Post #20 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:55 pm

What I heard about DC was that he made a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money in real estate EARLY in his playing career and just slacked off because playing in the NBA wasn't about the love of the game for him to begin with...That real estate money and the long term contract he had made him turn up his nose and scoff at exerting himself for basketball.