Another reason why the Sixers will not dump Andre Miller

SendEm · Post #1 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:05 pm

If the Sixers were to trade Andre Miller away for expiring contracts, what kind of leverage would they then have NOT to pay Iguodala more than the $11.5 million per season that he turned down? If Iggy is ever clearly the best veteran player on this team, before him and the Sixers resume negotiations, it will be disastrous for us. He could then pursue Joe Johnson type money which Ben Gordan is also looking to swindle out of the Bulls.

If Andre Miller is traded Iguodala is guaranteed to atleast sign the same $57/5 deal because then his agent has more negotiation options, even the threat of proposing a trade. :roll:

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #2 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:16 pm

Andre Iguodala is better then Miller, and trading Miller is the best thing we can do. Iguodala is an asset. He'll get his money, it just may not be in a SIXERS UNIFORM. (Sign/Trade)

phiphan · Post #3 » by **phiphan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:16 pm

It's Iggy that will have no leverage, not the Sixers -- no other team has cap space.

If he wants to play for whatever his rookie salary is next year and risk an injury, that's on him.

SendEm · Post #4 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:22 pm

Iguodala is not better than Miller yet because Miller could go to any NBA team and instantly improve them because he's a playmaker. Iggy is just a utility wing player, many teams already have better versions of him. It's not just lip service that everyone involved with the Sixers call Miller the best player.

76erinSJ · Post #5 » by **76erinSJ** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:23 pm

Miller is the better player right now but he only has 2 to maybe 3 years left of producin at a good clip. Iggy will be much better then him in that time span.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #6 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:32 pm

Miller is a good-to-great NBA point guard. Andre Iguodala is growing balls away from being a GREAT NBA combo forward. How many of those are in the league, Sendem?

Kobe/LBJ...That's it, that's all there is (Dirk is a PF/C Combo and Howard is purely a SF). Stop being biased.

phiphan · Post #7 » by **phiphan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:38 pm

I still don't understand the leverage argument. Sure, he might have a little more leverage, but the Sixers still hold all the cards:
1) They are the only team with cap space
2) He is a RFA
3) They are the only team with cap space (posted twice because it says a lot)

SendEm · Post #8 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:50 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Miller is a good-to-great NBA point guard. Andre Iguodala is growing balls away from being a GREAT NBA combo forward. How many of those are in the league, Sendem?

Kobe/LBJ...That's it, that's all there is (Dirk is a PF/C Combo and Howard is purely a SF). Stop being biased.

Since when did being a "Combo Forward" become a desirable trait? Give me a SHOOTING GUARD. Give me a POINT GUARD. Give me a CENTER. Give me a POWER FORWARD. Give me a SMALL FORWARD. If a player is talented enough to interchange between positions then so be it, but it's not a positive if the guy has deficiencies that keep him away from being classified at a particular position like Iggy does. Give me a true SF like Josh Howard. Give me a true PG like Chris Paul. Give me a true SG like Ray Allen. Give me a true center like Shaq. Give me a true PF like Dwight Howard.

SendEm · Post #9 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:52 pm

phiphan wrote:I still don't understand the leverage argument. Sure, he might have a little more leverage, but the Sixers still hold all the cards:
1) They are the only team with cap space
2) He is a RFA
3) They are the only team with cap space (posted twice because it says a lot)

You're acting as if the NBA hasn't seen this scenario before...

phiphan · Post #10 » by **phiphan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:59 pm

Well name them, assume (correctly) that I'm ignorant of such situations.

SendEm · Post #11 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:02 pm

phiphan wrote:Well name them, assume (correctly) that I'm ignorant of such situations.

You do the research, I already know them. :lol:

Post #12 » by **The Guilty Party** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:09 pm

This is where Ed Stefanski's background in business... more specifically the cuthroat mortgage business... is going to come in hand. If this were Billy King... I might be worried. However, Stefanski isn't some gymrat, basketball guy who is now running multi-million dollar company. He's a business man and until he gives out a bad deal, I'm not going to worry.

phiphan · Post #13 » by **phiphan** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:10 pm

SendEm wrote:You do the research, I already know them.

Yes. Clearly. :roll:

SendEm · Post #14 » by **SendEm** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:19 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:This is where Ed Stefanski's background in business... more specifically the cuthroat mortgage business... is going to come in hand. If this were Billy King... I might be worried. However, Stefanski isn't some gymrat, basketball guy who is now running multi-million dollar company. He's a business man and until he gives out a bad deal, I'm not going to worry.

Wow that's the most horrible description of Billy that I have ever heard. Let's not forget that the man is a Duke graduate. :wavefinger:

roseorbust · Post #15 » by **roseorbust** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:23 pm

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Since when did being a "Combo Forward" become a desirable trait? Give me a SHOOTING GUARD. Give me a POINT GUARD. Give me a CENTER. Give me a POWER FORWARD. Give me a SMALL FORWARD. If a player is talented enough to interchange between positions then so be it, but it's not a positive if the guy has deficiencies that keep him away from being classified at a particular position like Iggy does. Give me a true SF like Josh Howard. Give me a true PG like Chris Paul. Give me a true SG like Ray Allen. Give me a true center like Shaq. Give me a true PF like Dwight Howard.

Lol shows how much you know. Did Iggy like date your sister? There's a special reason why you hate him.

roseorbust · Post #16 » by **roseorbust** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:26 pm

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wow that's the most horrible description of Billy that I have ever heard. Let's not forget that the man is a Duke graduate.

Billy King, mad that Iggy reccomended him to be fired

76erinSJ · Post #17 » by **76erinSJ** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:30 pm

I love how he says Iggy is just a utility wing player that can just be replaced so easy. If you know of so many situations then name them? Y ou dont want to name them because you cant. Teams dont sign RFA'S FROM OTHER TEAMS LIKE ITS COMMON PLACE.

Mik317 · Post #18 » by **Mik317** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:24 pm

I guess you hate Lebron, AI, and Garnett,,,,,,,,,becasuse they aren't pure Pg's, Sg's Sf's and Pf's...........oh wait.

corwin · Post #19 » by **corwin** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:46 pm

This shouldn't be that complicated. Iggy is not going to be paid like he's a superstar. Stefanski should pick comparable players coming off of their rookie contracts, i.e. Gerald Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Caron Butler, Luol Deng, etc. & offer the average of what these guys make.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #20 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:29 pm

phiphan wrote:I still don't understand the leverage argument. Sure, he might have a little more leverage, but the Sixers still hold all the cards:
1) They are the only team with cap space
2) He is a RFA
3) They are the only team with cap space (posted twice because it says a lot)

I think Ed realizes this, even tho alot of sixer fans do not