Our shooting guard for the next 5 years

Wilfried · Post #1 » by **Wilfried** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:03 pm

Which player would you prefer to have on the Sixers squad that is trying to build into a contender the next years?

Sign Iggy or let him go and go after Monta Ellis?

Monta would probably become a bidding war with the Warriors, so the question is not salary-related.

UptownPhilly · Post #2 » by **UptownPhilly** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:15 pm

I like Iguodala, but I'd have to go with Montae.

ankle420breaker · Post #3 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:22 pm

You get a better offensive player in Ellis, but you lose a lot on defense. Not to mention we have a similar player in Lou, albeit not as effective...

Skates · Post #4 » by **Skates** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:32 pm

I'll take Iggy and I don't think it's even a close call. Ellis is not a great three point shooter, which is the usual knock against Iggy at the 2. Iggy is a bigger, stronger athlete by far with a better three point shooting percentage. He is a better passer, rebounder and defender than Ellis. Ellis shoots a better overall percentage, but numbers are ususally inflated in Nellie's sytem. I like Ellis as a player, but he's no superstar. Please, no more small shooting guards, at least not as starters (that goes for AI, Ben Gordon and Gilbert Arenas too). I want our team to be able to match up defensively with other teams. Iggy can improve his shooting percentage, especially as we get more talent and experience and the scoring load is lightened on him. Ellis is not going to grow anytime soon. Neither one is a franchise player. Iggy can play two positions (SG, SF) proficeintly, unless Ellis develops better PG skills, he has less versatility.

Slithery, high scoring, 6'3", 180 lb (a generaous height listing at best) shooting guards are fun to watch, 6'6", powerfully built shooting guards with better all-around skills and athleticism will win you more games.

UptownPhilly · Post #5 » by **UptownPhilly** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:38 pm

Does anyone see Louis Williams flourishing in an Iverson type role at shooting guard?

If we were to bring in Montae ellis without moving Iguodala, would anyone not be satisfied?

ITK9 · Post #6 » by **ITK9** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:47 pm

imo lou williams will be at least as good as monta in 2 years.

Skates · Post #7 » by **Skates** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:45 pm

Undersized SG's or combo guards like Ellis and Williams are great as spark plugs off the bench. Their lack of size is less of a problem and a guy like Lou Williams is a great change of pace from a SG that is Iggy sized. I don't know that Lou will ever be as good of a scorer as Ellis, but I think he fits in nicely as instant offense off of the Sixer's bench. Williams is not a true PG, but I think he has enough PG skills to play both backcourt positions for a long time.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #8 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:50 pm

I'm really starting to think Iggy's the odd man out of a lot of scenarios for the future.

dond · Post #9 » by **dond** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:51 pm

Johnny Broad-Street wrote:I'm really starting to think Iggy's the odd man out of a lot of scenarios for the future.

That is what I think, too. I am looking for a sign-and-trade during the off season and the Sixers get .... (who knows) ... Maybe the number 1 draft pick. Is that possible ?

Post #10 » by **dbodner** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:22 pm

So Iggy can't play SG because he doesn't have a reliable 3 point shot, so we replace him with an undersized SG who doesn't defend, and can shoot less?

dond · Post #11 » by **dond** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:07 am

dbodner wrote:So Iggy can't play SG because he doesn't have a reliable 3 point shot, so we replace him with an undersized SG who doesn't defend, and can shoot less?

Not because he doesn't have a reliable 3pt shot but because he doesn't really have ANY reliable shot. He is best suited to be a slasher ... but the problem with that is he does not have a reliable finish. His only real offensive strength is finishing on the fastbreak. He just doesn't fit my image of a shooting guard and I think the Sixers may be able to get something they need more than a shooting guard.

However, I would not wish to replace him with Monta Ellis.

freshie2 · Post #12 » by **freshie2** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:23 am

Iguodala

Samson · Post #13 » by **Samson** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:53 am

Iguodala, it's not even close. I'm surprised it has got this bad with some opinions on Iguodala....A year and a half ago he was one of the most versatile players in the league, now he's a "let walk" guy?

This is like saying, "Who you got? AI or Louis Williams?"

In fact it's basically exactly like that.

dond · Post #14 » by **dond** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:56 am

The Magic just keep shooting jumpshots ... I don't get that. They have much more size than the Sixers ... Why don't they force it into the paint and cause the Sixers to foul ... They could foul out our "big" men ...

dond · Post #15 » by **dond** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:58 am

Disregard the previous comment ... I didn't realize I was in this thread.

AnSweR07 · Post #16 » by **AnSweR07** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:02 am

It doesnt matter bout size..Ellis is a better basketball player period. And no to Ellis we already got lou.

sec-106 · Post #17 » by **sec-106** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:14 am

dond wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That is what I think, too. I am looking for a sign-and-trade during the off season and the Sixers get .... (who knows) ... Maybe the number 1 draft pick. Is that possible ?

I'm feeling it, too.

Package him and picks for the PF.

West?

Overpay for Boozer?

dond · Post #18 » by **dond** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:35 am

sec-106 wrote:I'm feeling it, too.

Package him and picks for the PF.

West?

Overpay for Boozer?

Well, yes ... Boozer would be perfect. However, he would be VERY EXPENSIVE and not sure if he would be worth it. Also, I doubt the Jazz would let him go. But I like Boozer because he has shooting range and he does score in close and he rebounds. He is just a perfect PF.

Skates · Post #19 » by **Skates** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:02 am

AnSweR07 wrote:It doesnt matter bout size..Ellis is a better basketball player period. And no to Ellis we already got lou.

I agree that Lou is close enough to Ellis for what we need, but size does matter in basketball. Judging by your screen name it would appear you are an Iverson fan, I was a huge Charles Barkley fan. Both magnificant players, both dominant in several aspects of the game and both woefully undersized to play defense at the positions that best suited their talents, SG for AI and PF for Sir Charles. Pound for pound, or inch for inch in Barkley's case, they were possibly the most dominant players at their positions, but basketball is a two-way sport and it is a sport that favors tall people.

If Magic Johnson was 6'2" we'd be saying that he was a nice passer, with a good handle who lacked high-end foot speed for a PG. At 6'9" he was the greatest PG of his era and possibly of all time. Ellis plays on an unconventional offensive team that thinks of defense as something the other team plays. Put him on one of the truly good teams in this league and his place would be as a top sixth man/third guard.

Salvistine24 · Post #20 » by **Salvistine24** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:18 am

Does anyone else feel like there really hasnt been much in terms of good solid sgs in recent drafts...i mean i can think of 3 maybe 4 pretty good ones in iggy, kevin martin, montae (2nd rnd pick), and maybe ben gordon

i would move iggy for a pf if we could somehow acquire the right guy who had some youth if it was smart...i would love joe johnson here but i dont know if i would move iggy for him bc it would still leave the hole a pf...if andre gets moved, i would only move him for a pf...an iggy and pick for david west trade intrigues me but i doubt new orleans would mess with their chemistry

if there was any way i could acquire johnson without giving up iggy, i would then immediately move him for a pf but this isnt a trade thread so ill stop now before i cross that threshold

in summary...keep iggy unless ur offered a stud pf for him nd pieces then try to acquire somone else to take that spot