Michael Redd

Post #1 » by **The Guilty Party** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:39 pm

First of all... it's not my style to make these kinds of threads and yet this is my 2nd one (and last one) within the past day.

I consider a lot of guys who post here to be the cream of the crop of Sixer Nation so let me ask this: If we strike out on the PF altogether, is it insane for us to consider trying to obtain Michael Redd from the Bucks if the cost is cap space, a young prospect (Carney or Jason Smith) and a couple of picks (Utah and Philly's 2009 first rounders)??

Can this team win with a lineup of..

Miller
Redd
Iguodala
Young
Dalembert

I realize that all of us want an inside post presence first and foremost but we are also missing an outside shooting presence and Redd certainly fixes that. I guess the real question is can this team continue on next season with Thad as the starting PF?? If so, I believe this is a great option for our franchise.

carltong23 · Post #2 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:56 pm

I thought about that also after the game, but I think Redd would just cost too much. We would have to decide if we want to go young or old. If we're trying to build around our vets(Miller,Iguodala,Dalembert,Green,Evans), then maybe. But if we're trying to build around our young guys(Smith,Williams,Carney,Young) than we'd be better off finding a young, cheap PF with potential(Villanueva,Diogu,Frye,Ty.Thomas,etc.) since we already have enough gaurds.

UptownPhilly · Post #3 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:03 pm

I would take a risk on Redd for the package you offered.

I think the Bucks may value him slightly higher though.

SendEm · Post #4 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:11 pm

Our perimeter defense and SF post defense will be terrible. Willie Green is already most nights guarding the best big guard and Iggy can't guard long SF's like Tayshaun Prince and Lamar Odom. Micheal Redd every season progresses more and more into a player that can't guard the perimeter just like Aaron Mckie. You add in Andre Miller into that equation and you have serious problems with stopping penetration. Redd is a great offensive player, but he has to be placed in the right situation to be able to win with due to his game being strictly half court offense based off of jump shots. A team like Chicago with quality Forwards would be a better fit for Redd.

SouthJersey · Post #5 » by **SouthJersey** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:15 pm

There are alot of Bucks fans who would be glad to get rid of Redd. The guy since having an all-star year in a contact year hasnt done much to make his team any good. I think he would in nice with Iguodala, but his salary is too high.

carltong23 · Post #6 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:16 pm

SendEm wrote:Our perimeter defense and SF post defense will be terrible. Willie Green is already most nights guarding the best big guard and Iggy can't guard long SF's like Tayshaun Prince and Lamar Odom. Micheal Redd every season progresses more and more into a player that can't guard the perimeter just like Aaron Mckie. You add in Andre Miller into that equation and you have serious problems with stopping penetration. Redd is a great offensive player, but he has to be placed in the right situation to be able to win with due to his game being strictly half court offense based off of jump shots. A team like Chicago with quality Forwards would be a better fit for Redd.

I agree with all of that. Redd needs to play on a team that has either a true superstar so he can be the #2 or 3 option or a team with good post players. Cleveland with Lebron would be a good place where he wouldnt have to handle the ball. All he'd have to do is catch and shoot. Or in Orlando with Dwight Howard.

ITK9 · Post #7 » by **ITK9** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:25 pm

SendEm wrote:Iggy can't guard long SF's like Tayshaun Prince and Lamar Odom.

wow..just wow..so iggy is now also a bad defender? i wonder why he is in this league...

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #8 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:26 pm

I think the cost would be too high.

I'm not that into the package you proposed becasue I'm not sure Redd makes us that much better with the way we play. I don't want Redd handling, and I think we should try to acquire a 2 who can handle a little and give us more flexibility. I think Redd has teh same issue Ray Allen has...great player but not quite as versatile as he could be. Ray Allen left his aggressive game in Connecticut and even though he's a great shooter, he's never been the player he could have been IMHO

Skates · Post #9 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:55 pm

Redd is overpaid for what he does. I don't mind overpaying for a franchise player, but if Redd is your franchise player your team plays at the level of the Milwaukee Bucks. We can add shooter more cheaply and really, what else does he do anymore? Redd is one of those guys that went from underappreciated and underpaid to the exact opposite in a few years. I'd rather get mike Miller from Memphis, his contract is more reasonable, he has better size and a little more versatility (but he must lose the freaking pony-tail).

IggyTheBEaST · Post #10 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:01 pm

I think Redd is over rated (and over paid) but if we cant land a good big man in the offseason, I would definitly welcome him on this team if all it cost was Carney and 2 non lotto picks.(ours + Jazz)

Skates · Post #11 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:08 pm

IggyTheBEaST wrote:I think Redd is over rated (and over paid) but if we cant land a good big man in the offseason, I would definitly welcome him on this team if all it cost was Carney and 2 non lotto picks.(ours + Jazz)

No to Redd as a back-up plan. He is on the books for $15-16+ million a year for three more years, that is a cap killer. If we can't get a big name big man this summer, take a chance on guys like Ty Thomas, Wilcox and Ike Diogu and through the draft. They all have short and/or cheap contracts and decent potential, although none is an all around great player. Then use Miller's expiring contract to go back into FA next summer if needed or to trade for a big man ala pau Gasol at next year's deadline. We need to manage the cap better going forward. For all of his drafting prowess, BK killed our cap routinely. End result was no flexibility and lots of trading bad contracts for bad contracts.

CPops57 · Post #12 » by **CPops57** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:11 pm

I don't think he'd be worth the premium necessary to acquire him, but all options should be considered if he comes cheap.

I'm thinking that if free agency nets the team a PF, then you can add an additional shooter via the draft or free agency, though I don't know who the available targets that fit that bill might be.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #13 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:15 pm

Skates wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No to Redd as a back-up plan. He is on the books for $15-16+ million a year for three more years, that is a cap killer. If we can't get a big name big man this summer, take a chance on guys like Ty Thomas, Wilcox and Ike Diogu .

If you said you disagreed because we should save our cap for a big name in 09 I would have agreed with you but you said we should pass on Redd for Ike Diogu! Are you freakin kidding me?

Skates · Post #14 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:16 pm

IggyTheBEaST wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If you said you disagreed because we should save our cap for a big name in 09 I would have agreed with you but you said we should pass on Redd for Ike Diogu! Are you freakin kidding me?

Actually I said both. Save our cap room, but grab some short term, inexpensive help at PF to tide us over till next summer or next deadline. Diogu and Wilcox are short contract at relatively low numbers. They are to help next year. I actually like Diogu, he might get to play a lot more if Jim "I'm going to be fired again real soon" O'Brien didn't fancy himself the eastern conference version of Don Nelson and insist on playing lots of very small lineups. Diogu is no superstar, but he can score down low and would not be a bad temporary patch until someone better comes available.

is1531 · Post #15 » by **is1531** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:33 pm

SendEm wrote:Our perimeter defense and SF post defense will be terrible. Willie Green is already most nights guarding the best big guard and Iggy can't guard long SF's like Tayshaun Prince and Lamar Odom. Micheal Redd every season progresses more and more into a player that can't guard the perimeter just like Aaron Mckie. You add in Andre Miller into that equation and you have serious problems with stopping penetration. Redd is a great offensive player, but he has to be placed in the right situation to be able to win with due to his game being strictly half court offense based off of jump shots. A team like Chicago with quality Forwards would be a better fit for Redd.

I agree with you.I do not want Redd on the 76ers. His defense is a disaster and so is the entire Bucks defense. If we do not come up with a free agent 2 guard, I will settle for Shan Foster or Sonny Weems, provided the 76ers can add a 2nd round pick

is1531 · Post #16 » by **is1531** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:36 pm

Skates wrote:Redd is overpaid for what he does. I don't mind overpaying for a franchise player, but if Redd is your franchise player your team plays at the level of the Milwaukee Bucks. We can add shooter more cheaply and really, what else does he do anymore? Redd is one of those guys that went from underappreciated and underpaid to the exact opposite in a few years. I'd rather get mike Miller from Memphis, his contract is more reasonable, he has better size and a little more versatility (but he must lose the freaking pony-tail).

Mike Miller would be a better choice, however I would not offer a lot. Maybe, the lower of the 2009 picks,but nothing more than that.Miller is also a poor defender.

is1531 · Post #17 » by **is1531** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:40 pm

Skates wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Actually I said both. Save our cap room, but grab some short term, inexpensive help at PF to tide us over till next summer or next deadline. Diogu and Wilcox are short contract at relatively low numbers. They are to help next year. I actually like Diogu, he might get to play a lot more if Jim "I'm going to be fired again real soon" O'Brien didn't fancy himself the eastern conference version of Don Nelson and insist on playing lots of very small lineups. Diogu is no superstar, but he can score down low and would not be a bad temporary patch until someone better comes available.

Ike does not fit the 76ers. First of all,he is always injured and he is so slow.He is a banger, but he 76ers want players to fit into their up tempo game. Ike is only a compromise.We need big time players on the 76ers next year.

sec-106 · Post #18 » by **sec-106** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:17 pm

Been going back and for on this line of thinking, too.

If ES stikes out at the PF, not totally against going this route, and while Redd makes a ton of cash, I'd probably do GP's deal.

freshie2 · Post #19 » by **freshie2** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:30 pm

I don't think Redd is the answer here...

wow444 · Post #20 » by **wow444** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:02 pm

I don't like Redd either. Poor defender. Ed has to find a PF. There is definitely one out there.