Point Guard of the Future

carltong23 · Post #1 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:43 pm

I know this is kinda like a fantasy trade, and someone may have already thought of this, but oh well. I was realizing that since we'll have about $10 million in cap space, that means that we can accept any contracts this summer as long as they are under $10 million. With that in mind, I realized that the only team that has young point gaurds that are available and have potential are the Memphis Grizzlies. The good news is, since we're under the cap and they're overloaded at the point, we probably wouldnt have to give up much to aquire one of them. Most importantly, we wouldnt have to give up Andre Miller to get him. So heres what we should do this summer:

Sixers get:

Javaris Crittenton
Brian Cardinal

Grizzlies get:

$7 million Trade exception
Utah's '09 1st round pick

Why for Philly:
We would finally have a true young point gaurd with potetial to replace Miller when he becomes a free agent if he leaves. The reason I chose Javaris instead of Conley is because theres no way that Memphis is gonna trade their #4 pick to us for a trade exception, period. I didnt chose Lowry because he's smaller and doesnt seem to have the potential to be a star in this league. I see Lowry as being a sparkplug off the bench at best ala Bobby Jackson or Chris Duhon. I love Lou Williams but he still is more of a combo gaurd. Crittenton is kind of a combo also, but in the few times i've seen him play, I noticed that he had more natural passing ability than Lou Will(specifically in the summer league). Hes 6'5" and would easily overpower most point gaurds in the league, which you also cant say for Louis. He really has the potential to become the next Baron Davis. Personally, the only reason I think he fell in the draft is the same reason Thaddeus fell to us, because he came out too early without really proving himself in college. Honestly, I think if they would have stayed a year or two more, they would have been top 5-10 picks. Also, Crittenton went to college with Thaddeus Young at G-Tech so adding him to the Sixers should make Thad happy and increase the overall chemistry of the team. I wouldnt let the fact that he's been traded scare me, seeing as how he was the main part of the Gasol trade besides Kwame's contract.

Why for Memphis:
Memphis gets to dump Brian Cardinal's salary on us for the next two years, which is something they've allegedly been trying to do for years. Also, they get an extra first round pick to go along with the picks they got from the Lakers trade. They also get a trade exception worth $7 million since we didnt give them any players in return. This gives them an insane amount of cap/trade flexibility and would allow them to trade for a franchise player in the future seeing as how no one would want to sign to play in Memphis.

Post #2 » by **The Guilty Party** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:49 pm

This is a fantasy trade and so I won't dive into those waters BUT... the general idea is worth discussing. Right now the Sixers do not have their PG of the future and based on the things Andre Miller said on 950AM with Jody Mac, I don't believe Miller will re-sign here after next season. I think Stefanski either needs to draft the PG of the future this draft or obtain one via a trade. If we're going to go after younger PGs, I'd like for Ed to try and get his boy (and mine), Marcus Williams away from NJ.

The Nets have Devin Harris and so Williams should be obtainable and Stefanski has some background with him.

UptownPhilly · Post #3 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:57 pm

We're giving up too much.

Why do we give Memphis Utah's pick, if we have to take back Cardinal's contract?

Crittenton is one of the players that I want to go after, but we can get him without having to take on Cardinal's contract.

I would consider this trade without us giving up a first rounder, and if we are unable to acquire our "missing piece" in 08.

carltong23 · Post #4 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:59 pm

I agree, Williams is the only other young point gaurd I can think of that might be available that we would want. But with his questionable character issues and work ethic, I still would prefer Crittenton because of his size,potential, and closeness with Thaddeus.

UptownPhilly · Post #5 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:01 pm

carltong23 wrote:I agree, Williams is the only other young point gaurd I can think of that might be available that we would want. But with his questionable character issues and work ethic, I still would prefer Crittenton because of his size,potential, and closeness with Thaddeus.

I'm with you on Crittenton, but I'm not very concerned about Williams' character issues.

As long as Miller and the other veterans are still here, he may grow and mature a lot quicker.

carltong23 · Post #6 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:04 pm

Roletagg wrote:We're giving up too much.

Why do we give Memphis Utah's pick, if we have to take back Cardinal's contract?

Crittenton is one of the players that I want to go after, but we can get him without having to take on Cardinal's contract.

I would consider this trade without us giving up a first rounder, and if we are unable to acquire our "missing piece" in 08.

We have to give up something other than a trade exception. You have to remember, we're not the only team that realizes that Memphis has a logjam at the point. We have to compete with other teams that might offer them more than we can offer them. For example, if the Clippers dont keep Brand and/or Maggete they'll have enough cap space to offer the exact same thing we offer. So we have to be willing to either take back a bad contract and/or give up a first round pick.

UptownPhilly · Post #7 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:06 pm

Makes sense. I'd do this trade.

SendEm · Post #8 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:18 pm

From what I've seen Javaris Crittenton isn't the point guard of anyone's future. His major success in life is being a 6'5" PG that got drafted, that's it. Can we say Frank Williams anyone?

carltong23 · Post #9 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:23 pm

Well we must be lookin at different players then. Like I said, the only reason he fell to the Lakers is because he came out as a freshman without really making himself a star in college first. Same with Thaddeus. Meanwhile, guys that had good March Madness runs get taken ahead of guys that have way more potential. Guys like Brewer getting taken ahead of Thad will look mighty stupid in 5 years. And I think teams skipping on Critt will look the same.

SendEm · Post #10 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:35 pm

Crittenton wasn't much of a PG in college and so far in his debut NBA season the most assists he ever had in any single game has been 4 with a high in points being 22. He's 20 years of age and not capable of beating out two other younger PG's that are not starter caliber PG's in the NBA for any good team. He's garbage right now and has never shown to be much of a PG prospect. That's why he was drafted late AND is a bench player for a horrible team. Critt is a poor man's Alvin Williams.

carltong23 · Post #11 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:54 pm

Actually, I believe he's the youngest of all the gaurds on that team with the least college/nba combined experience so that might be one reason. Also, of course they're not going to start him because why would they start a 20 something pick over the number 4 pick? That would make them look stupid. And if they wanted to keep Critt over Lowry, of course they would showcase Lowry so that they could trade him and keep Critt. Just because he's not playing much doesnt necessarily mean he cant get minutes. It just means he's not getting minutes.

emptygator · Post #12 » by **emptygator** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:04 pm

i still think by the end of next season with mo cheeks still as the coach, that Louwill will be ready to be the point guard of this team

SendEm · Post #13 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:10 pm

He's not playing because he's not any good. If he were as good as Rodney Stuckey you can believe that he would have been getting minutes in LA and playing significant minutes in Memphis. Again this is a player that never accomplished anything in college both statistically and win/loss record.

Threads like these in my opinion should be about players like Rodney Stuckey or if this thread were posted last season it should have been about Rondo. Critt is just Alvin Williams part 2...

SendEm · Post #14 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:18 pm

emptygator wrote:i still think by the end of next season with mo cheeks still as the coach, that Louwill will be ready to be the point guard of this team

Right now that looks like a better bet especially considering that Lou Will is only 14 months older than Critt. But I do think that Critt can be a better player than Lou. I don't envision either of them being bonafide franchise PG's. I see Lou Will as a Kenny Smith and Critt as Alvin Williams. Not good enough without a much greater cast...

UptownPhilly · Post #15 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:21 pm

SendEm wrote:He's not playing because he's not any good. If he were as good as Rodney Stuckey you can believe that he would have been getting minutes in LA and playing significant minutes in Memphis. Again this is a player that never accomplished anything in college both statistically and win/loss record.

Threads like these in my opinion should be about players like Rodney Stuckey or if this thread were posted last season it should have been about Rondo. Critt is just Alvin Williams part 2...

Rodney Stuckey would have been one of the first players on that plane to Memphis.

SendEm · Post #16 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:23 pm

Roletagg wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Rodney Stuckey would have been one of the first players on that plane to Memphis.

You are 100% right, BUT he would certainly be playing major minutes for that Memphis team, unlike Critt...

carltong23 · Post #17 » by **carltong23** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:24 pm

Rodney Stuckey isnt competing for minutes with anyone on his bench. The only other backup point they've had most of the season is Lindsey Hunter and hes like 40 years old. And even he might get more minutes than Stuckey once the playoffs start. Rondo played on a garbage team last year as well. He competed with Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair for the point gaurd spot. Delonte was the starter most of the year and Rondo was the backup most of the year. Rondo wasnt seen as some great point gaurd prospect either until the Celtics made all those trades and he got the opportunity to play with three Hall-of-Fame players. He hasnt had to compete with anybody at all this year. Crittenton was competing with Fisher(who is a vet and already knows Phil Jackson's offense) and Farmar who has more experience and has been playing well all season. They say it takes about a year for new players to adjust to the traingle offense.Why would Phil give playing time to a rookie who has no knowledge of the triangle offense?

Besides all of that, your argument doesnt make any sense anyway. Thats apples and oranges. These are just our opinions. Neither one of us knows who is right until their careers play out. You look at him and see the next Alvin Williams. I look at him and see a potential star. So theres no point in agruing over this anyway.

GreenWithEnvy · Post #18 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:37 pm

Stuckey isn't even a point tho. He falls under that Juan Dixon, Eddie House category but hes already better than those guys.

As for the OT i would say that Lou will be ready to take over the reigns at the trade deadline next season. i think if the Sixers land a marquee, young free agent (i.e. Josh Smith, Elton, Calderon) that Miller will be out before training camp.

SendEm · Post #19 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:40 pm

Rondo accomplished far more in his rookie season than Critt and Rondo averaged more minutes per game last season than Telfair.

SendEm · Post #20 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:43 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:Stuckey isn't even a point tho. He falls under that Juan Dixon, Eddie House category but hes already better than those guys.

As for the OT i would say that Lou will be ready to take over the reigns at the trade deadline next season. i think if the Sixers land a marquee, young free agent (i.e. Josh Smith, Elton, Calderon) that Miller will be out before training camp.

Juan Dixon, Eddie House? Stuckey looks like Billups to me. He's no Steve Nash or Chris Paul, but he has the lead guard potential and tools of a Chauncey Billups and Derek Harper. Juan Dixon, Eddie House? :wavefinger: