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Calderon - Haslem

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:29 am
by Wilfried
Should we go after Jose Calderon as he is free agent?

I know we have Andre Miller, but we can use Andre Miller as trade-object to get a good pf.

I was thinking at Udonis Haslem, as Miami maybe can get the no 1 pick and Beasley. While they have Beasley and Marion, Haslem is maybe expendable.

I know Udonis is not the big name PF many people are thinking about (Brand) but he's very good (defense, offense, work horse, still young but experienced).

And if we sign Calderon as our new pg for the next 5 years we could have this team:

Calderon - Iguodala - Young - Haslem - Dalembert
Bench: Lou Will - Green - Carney - Evans - Smith - rookie - ...

Good team, but not championship. Therefor we need to trade Iguodala for a real franchise player.

Is this scenario possible (Calderon - Haslem)

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:23 am
by underpressure
You go nowhere with those two players as your major acquisition. Calderon is vastly overrated. He is playing in an offensive scheme, where his strengths are exposed. Philadelphia is a completely different team without any three-point shooters and so forth. Stay away with him.
Haslem does not help us either. We need a scoring option and not a type of guy who resembles Dalembert and Evans in terms of defensive production, dedication and limited offensive skills. A frontcourt comprised of Haslem and Dalembert won't lift you to the next level.

In other words, Haslem and Calderon are the last players which I would look at.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:27 am
by corwin
IMO Calderon's defense is poor & with his cost, it would be a poor acquisition for the team. I like Haslem but I think he's too small to be a starting PF on the Sixers. Sammy is skinny so we need height, toughness & beef up front.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:04 pm
by SendEm
Calderon and Haslem are two VERY good fantasy basketball players but they are NOT the kinds of players that you acquire through free agency to do anything but be AT BEST the 5th best player on a real basketball team. There are too many talented PG's in this league to ink Calderon and his poor defense to a long term deal as a starter. Calderon gets used on a nightly basis by EVERY PG. Haslem is a more offensively skilled Reggie Evans type player that has lost his passion for the game. You avoid players like Haslem that built their career off of playing with high energy that all of a sudden lose that energy and fancy themselves as a skill player.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:31 pm
by ITK9
calderon is at this point the most overated played in the league.keep him out of phila.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:34 pm
by freshie2
I would take Calderone over Haslem, but neither would be my main target in FA. The main target in FA needs to be a PF to pair next to Dalembert.

Re: Calderon - Haslem

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:20 pm
by IglooKing2
Haslem's a good player, but he just doesn't do enough on offense. Especially if someone like Shaq isn't around to create easy baskets for him. And since his salary isn't excessive, Miami might just want to keep him (at least unless they bring in a PF).

I've mentioned Kirilenko before as a potential trade target. Another guy that crossed my mind recently is Lamar Odom. Odom's contract runs out in '09, and, assuming they extend Bynum, every dollar spent on re-signing Odom would count against the luxury tax. Also, Odom has never seemed too comfortable playing in the triangle offense, and he's not as important as he was before with Gasol in the lineup.

The Lakers are one of the NBA's most profitable franchises, so they could probably afford to pay some luxury tax. But if they figure that Odom's leaving anyway in a year, they might be willing to deal him.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:12 pm
by bebopdeluxe
I actually like Haslem...I just would not want to give up Miller to get him.

Calderon? Meh.

I don't even know why we are focusing on PG right now...it is one of the lest important things to focus on....certainly below a quality PF (if we can actually get one) and/or a stone-cold scorer at the SG.

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:55 pm
by barkley34
Stefanski probably already has a player he is targeting. It will probably turn out to be somebody none of us expected.

If I had to guess I would say it will be a power forward with a post game. That is a glaring weakness on our squad and has to be addressed.

Guys like Haslem are nice but they don't fit that role. We need somebody like a healthy version of Jermaine O'Neal etc.,,,

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:44 am
by gusguy
ITK9 wrote:calderon is at this point the most overated played in the league.keep him out of phila.


Yet he's quarterbacked the Raps this year to wins in Boston, New Orleans and San Antonio...not to mention that he's the starting PG on the reigning World Champs - Spain. He's a top ten PG in the NBA. By the way...he also has abused some of the higher profile PG's this year (Paul, Parker, Roy, Williams, Kidd)

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:26 am
by Stanford
How about TJ Ford? If Calderon has made him expendable, and hes available in trade, would you guys jump?

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:45 am
by underpressure
No. We should stick with Andre Miller as long as possible.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:38 am
by Dedicated_76ers_fan
Stanford wrote:How about TJ Ford? If Calderon has made him expendable, and hes available in trade, would you guys jump?


Let's see, a Mini Iverson who has just as much of a injury history. Further more, this particular Iverson has a spinal cord issue that could legitimately endanger his NBA career...I love T.J Ford, but not for this team.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:28 am
by SendEm
Why is the Sixers forum so fixated upon acquiring seriously flawed players? It's always a Tyrus Thomas, Haslem, Marcus Williams, Calderon, Charlie V., Chris Wilcox, or overpaying to sign Josh Smith and Okafor. Just STOP IT! We are better off with what we already have, especially considering that none of those players are being given away.

Let's start seeing some players with real talent have their names thrown around on this forum.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:09 am
by Stanford
You should just get it out of the way and post all the players you like and dislike and what degree. Then we'll be one step away from a Sendem friendly board.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:44 am
by freshie2
Who are the great obtainable players out there?? Did Dwight Howard tick off Mickey Mouse??

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:54 am
by corwin
SendEm wrote:Why is the Sixers forum so fixated upon acquiring seriously flawed players? It's always a Tyrus Thomas, Haslem, Marcus Williams, Calderon, Charlie V., Chris Wilcox, or overpaying to sign Josh Smith and Okafor. Just STOP IT! We are better off with what we already have, especially considering that none of those players are being given away.

Let's start seeing some players with real talent have their names thrown around on this forum.

+1. Philly has cap space in a year when no one other than Memphis has it. Use some of it to improve the draft position/acquire future picks or to get a useful player if there is no star available. Mst of those players (I'm not sure about Ty Thomas & I'm not counting Smith or Okafor) are not core players for this team.

Re: Calderon - Haslem

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:57 pm
by psykosacul
Wilfried wrote:Calderon - Iguodala - Young - Haslem - Dalembert
Bench: Lou Will - Green - Carney - Evans - Smith - rookie - ...

Good team, but not championship. Therefor we need to trade Iguodala for a real franchise player.



you kind of make an argument against yourself here. we end up trading miller, maybe our best player, for a PF who doesnt even average a double double and seems to have maxed out his potential... and then to replace him we sign a lesser PG. that team doenst look too bad and i like that you want to sign glue guys who are solid players and not just big names but frankly... i dont think that team is as good as the one we put on the floor right now.

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:11 am
by IglooKing2
Sacramento should also have some cap space, assuming that Artest opts out. If Maggette opts out, then the Clippers should have some as well, even if Brand exercises his option or re-signs with a new max deal.

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:18 am
by Sixerscan
IglooKing2 wrote:Sacramento should also have some cap space, assuming that Artest opts out. If Maggette opts out, then the Clippers should have some as well, even if Brand exercises his option or re-signs with a new max deal.


Hoopshype is a terrible site for salary info.

This site is much better

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm