Iguodala has developed an annoying little habit as of late

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:29 am

I don't know if it is an ego issue or just being overconfident because of the success, but lately he thinks he's this great one on one player. Especially at the end of games. Cheeks is partly at fault too, because I assume he calls the clearout plays at the end of games.

Iguodala is NOT a good one on one player. He isn't even the best on the team. Miller and Lou Williams are both better. Iguodala sometimes can hit that pull-up jump shot, but when he drives on one on one situations, the far majority of the time he ends up throwing up some ugly prayer of a shot.

It needs to stop. Iguodala is most effective when he works in the flow of the offense rather than trying to take people off the dribble by himself.

ankle420breaker · Post #2 » by **ankle420breaker** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:42 am

I think iguodala has answered the call on several occasions down the stretch of games this season...

sixers_610 · Post #3 » by **sixers_610** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:42 am

yes he has.

ITK9 · Post #4 » by **ITK9** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:46 am

what are you talking about?iggy got the ball, atacked the basket and made the free throws.what you want more? in the last minute of the game you need to put the ball in someone's hands and iggy is easily the best option.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #5 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:50 am

Well going by your name, I think it is going to be hard to get objectivity out of you, but I digress.

I'd rather have it in Miller's hands at the end of the game and have Iguodala come off the ball. Miller is better with the ball in his hands. He is more creative, is a great passer, and can get defenders in the air. He also has better ball control in the lane. Iguodala has no idea what to do when he drives a lot of the time.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #6 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:54 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Well going by your name, I think it is going to be hard to get objectivity out of you, but I digress.

I'd rather have it in Miller's hands at the end of the game and have Iguodala come off the ball. Miller is better with the ball in his hands. He is more creative, is a great passer, and can get defenders in the air. He also has better ball control in the lane. Iguodala has no idea what to do when he drives a lot of the time.

Agree 100%

freshie2 · Post #7 » by **freshie2** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:10 am

I hate how more times than not, he hits clutch shots at the end of games.

Iverson is a much better player than Iguodala, but we spent a decade watching Iverson do exactly what you just bashed Iguodala for, and Iguodala has made more clutch shots this season than Iverson did for his career in Philly.

Iguodala is not Kobe, Lebron, or Duncan, but let's give him some credit. Andre Miller has been huge for this club, but so has Iguodala.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #8 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:20 am

freshie2 wrote:I hate how more times than not, he hits clutch shots at the end of games.

Iverson is a much better player than Iguodala, but we spent a decade watching Iverson do exactly what you just bashed Iguodala for, and Iguodala has made more clutch shots this season than Iverson did for his career in Philly.

Iguodala is not Kobe, Lebron, or Duncan, but let's give him some credit. Andre Miller has been huge for this club, but so has Iguodala.

Uhhh... no. AI has hit so many more clutch shots than Iguodala that it can't even be counted. It took a while for him to hit an actual buzzer beater, but every year, he hit countless shots with a span of a few fractions or seconds left on the game clock.

Salvistine24 · Post #9 » by **Salvistine24** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:50 am

yeah no dice on saying iggy has hit bigger shots than iverson...ivy has sealed many games w 2-3 seconds left on jumpers or drives...

iggy has been great this season but cmon, just look at the 01 playoffs to see great iverson winners and clutch shots (and a clutch shot doesnt have to come in the final 5 seconds)

iggy aint no where near iverson in this category

psykosacul · Post #10 » by **psykosacul** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:48 am

i agree that iggy looks clueless when he drives on those clear out plays. remember the denver game where he wasnt even facing the basket, threw it up behind him and daly caught it and dunked it because it was such a bad shot?

the bad habit im really worried about though is that he seems to put up below average games against the celtics, pistons, and magic this season. i know they are good teams and its tougher to score against them but guess what?... for a guy who wants more than 11 million a year, he better show up for the teams we have to face in the playoffs, not just the new jersey nets of the league

LongLiveHinkie · Post #11 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:12 am

I'd actually rather him pull up from about 15 feet out and shoot a jumper than what he does when he drives. Usually, two things happen:

1. He drives inside and gets in the air. When the defender slides over, he has to bring the ball back down and throw up some really low percentage shot as he's descending.

2. He drives inside, the defender slides over, and he double clutches and tries to float the ball over the defender on a bad shot.

Seriously, if you want the ball on clear outs, then just drive to get the defender back-pedaling, and do a pull-up. It is his best shot right now, and IMO it is the hardest shot to guard in the game of basketball.

Anything, but those brutal drives he does.

SendEm · Post #12 » by **SendEm** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:50 am

freshie2 wrote:and Iguodala has made more clutch shots this season than Iverson did for his career in Philly.

freshie2 · Post #13 » by **freshie2** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:42 am

Iverson's a great talent and player, but he hit very few clutch end of game shots while in Philly, and really none until his last few years here. Sorry your teen heart throb isn't invincible, but that is one definite kink in his armor. He has gotten better at it over the past 4 years or so, but it was never his strong suit while in Philly.

SendEm · Post #14 » by **SendEm** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:27 pm

I've seen AI hit plenty of clutch shots at the end of the game...
He never hit many "walk off" shots to end the game while here, but he hit PLENTY of shots that PREVENTED the need of that sort of desperation shot. Have we forgotten all of the 15+ point 4th quarters AI put together to beat teams?????????

You can tell people that don't really know basketball, because they reiterate nonsense that television talking heads just say to fill time...Walk off jumpshots are weak in comparison to a player that can put a team ON HIS BACK for the ENTIRE nip and tuck of the game.

barkley34 · Post #15 » by **barkley34** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:00 pm

Lou is better at breaking his man down off the dribble but sometimes he isn't in the game so they isolate Iggy.

The two bad habits Iggy has that I dislike are his constant whining to the officials. He is getting worse than Iverson was with his complaining to the refs.

Also he is a little too vocal sometimes chewing teammates out on the court. It is fine if he is the leader to chew guys out, but he should do it in timeouts or in the locker room not on the court. He does it all the time with Dalembert and last night he did it with Jason Smith after a broken play. He does it in a manner throwing his hands up in the air etc.,,, that shows up some guys.

I love Iggy but he needs to address those 2 issues IMO.

is1531 · Post #16 » by **is1531** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:51 pm

[quote="Westbrook36"]I don't know if it is an ego issue or just being overconfident because of the success, but lately he thinks he's this great one on one player. Especially at the end of games. Cheeks is partly at fault too, because I assume he calls the clearout plays at the end of games.

Iguodala is NOT a good one on one player. He isn't even the best on the team. Miller and Lou Williams are both better. Iguodala sometimes can hit that pull-up jump shot, but when he drives on one on one situations, the far majority of the time he ends up throwing up some ugly prayer of a shot.

It needs to stop. Iguodala is most effective when he works in the flow of the offense rather than trying to take people off the dribble by himself.

There are times during games, he does not use his brain. His rocking of the arms move has never fooled an opponent. When he makes the one on one move near the end of a half or the end of a game, it looks ugly. Iggy is much better in the flow. Iggy would serve himself better, if he incorporated Thaddeus more into his game, but Iggy will not do that until he gets his money first. Iggy is a good player, but he does make a lot of bad decisions, which is probably the reason Cheeks prefers him at the 3 instead of the 2 guard.

Iggy likes to include Evans and Sam in the offense, since he realizes that both of these players can not show him up.Iggy makes me appreciate Barkley even more, since Barkley played the game with multiple speeds, but executed with multiple speeds.

I realize that Iggy gives us 20 points a game, but he makes to many poor decisions on offense. Defensively, I love his game.

is1531 · Post #17 » by **is1531** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:56 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Well going by your name, I think it is going to be hard to get objectivity out of you, but I digress.

I'd rather have it in Miller's hands at the end of the game and have Iguodala come off the ball. Miller is better with the ball in his hands. He is more creative, is a great passer, and can get defenders in the air. He also has better ball control in the lane. Iguodala has no idea what to do when he drives a lot of the time.

If anybody saw what Miller did to Iverson the other night, when Iverson was left laying on the floor, why would you put the ball in anybody's hand's other than Miller. When Iggy has the ball with time remaining for only one shot, all 5 defenders are looking for Iggy to shoot the ball. Here comes rocking of the arms Iggy once again. There it goes, another Iggy airball.

dond · Post #18 » by **dond** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:00 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Well going by your name, I think it is going to be hard to get objectivity out of you, but I digress.

I'd rather have it in Miller's hands at the end of the game and have Iguodala come off the ball. Miller is better with the ball in his hands. He is more creative, is a great passer, and can get defenders in the air. He also has better ball control in the lane. Iguodala has no idea what to do when he drives a lot of the time.

I absolutely agree, and I have for a long time now. Igoudala is not a one-on-one player. In fairness, he is getting a little better at it and maybe if he keeps doing it he will get to be effective ... but he is not there yet.

In fact, this and other behavior he exhibits is starting to move me in the direction of moving Igoudala again. He may not be good for this team in the long run and he may have enough trade value to move up the draft ladder or sign a free agent that will become a franchise player.

Actually, I am not too sure that Igoudala is that important a part of this team right now. Miller makes it go. You pull Iggy out and Thadeus steps in ...

Oh, it probably would make a difference ... but not so much that they would become a terrible team right away.

Salvistine24 · Post #19 » by **Salvistine24** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:08 pm

Iverson's a great talent and player, but he hit very few clutch end of game shots while in Philly, and really none until his last few years here. Sorry your teen heart throb isn't invincible, but that is one definite kink in his armor. He has gotten better at it over the past 4 years or so, but it was never his strong suit while in Philly.

Again...he didnt hit a real buzzer beater for the sixers until 2004 but he hit numerous big shots with time running down in the game that won it for the sixers...also like send em is implying, clutch doesnt have to be a big shot, its taking a game over for your team and your original statement says iggy has hit more clutch shots than iverson

iverson was the only player on this team for years who could and would take the big shot, of course he would falter at times...but for a guy who led us back to prominance (and a +.500 record), there had to be alot of times he hit big shots in his 10 years here, no? who was winning those games late for the first 7 years of here career...kukoc stepping back to take 3s when we were down 1?...eric snow's running jumper?...aaron mckie slowing releasing three (that he couldnt create for himself had to be on a kickout)?...

Michael Jordan has missed more clutch shots than anybody in the history of the game...does that mean pippen or now ben gordon is more clutch?...i think the answer is no

Grenerd686 · Post #20 » by **Grenerd686** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:45 pm

Westbrook36 wrote: Iguodala sometimes can hit that pull-up jump shot, but when he drives on one on one situations, the far majority of the time he ends up throwing up some ugly prayer of a shot.

You are talking about the one shot that he threw up in the magic game. Which sam made it look like an ally oop. Other than that shot i cant think of too many other recent games where Dre has thrown up a ugly shot. IMO it seems that Igoudala would rather take a pull up mid range jumper for a cluthch shot.

In the end of the games this year the ball has been in his hands for a reasonhe is the bestplayer on this team and most of the time he make a big play that the team needs.