Why Zach Randolph Could Be A Sixer

[The Guilty Party]

Alright... I know that Zach Randolph isn't the first name (or the second or the third or the seventeenth) we want to see the Sixers acquire this summer. That said, his name has been all over the Trade Board recently and a lot of posters seem to feel as though Philly is the best spot for him.

Well... I wasn't all that sure about how Mo and Zach got along in Portland (Did they like each other? Did they have issues? Was Zach a part of the Miles Fiasco?) so I went ahead and created a thread on the Portland Board to have them clear this up.

To my surprise, the Portland Posters all said that Zach and Mo got along extremely well and that Zach apparently credited Mo as the reason he became a 20/10 player in this league. Also, Zach apparently had issues with Nate McMillian because of the fact that Zach was so used to Mo's style of coaching. For some reason, I always thought that they had a contentious relationship which sort of turned me off to the idea of Randolph. Well, that and his off-court stuff.

Anywho, if Mo and Zach did get along as well as the Portland Board states they did, I could see Mo and Stefanski making a move for Zach should the cost be relatively low (cap space and Reggie Evans/Willie Green). I also agree with the Portland folk in that the Sixers are a much better fit for Randolph than most other places because of the fact that the team has a need for his inside scoring and can pair him with a defensive center in Dalembert.

Would you be satisfied if Stefanski ended up with Randolph from the cap space? If upset, would you go as far as to say that the team will somehow lose more games with Randolph than without him??

[chrice]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rYY338_JgvI

[The Guilty Party]

Wow! Marbury is insane.

Who's the better PG: Miller or Marbury?
Who's the better leader: Miller or Marbury?
Who's the better coach: Cheeks or Thomas?
Who's the better center: Dalembert or Curry?
Who has the better team: Sixers or Knicks?

Again, I would prefer that we got after a bunch of guys before Randolph..... BUT.... if Randolph can average 17.5/10.3 and stay out of trouble off of the court in New York in that mess.... I'm fairly certain he can help this team... if it comes down to that.

[noone]

The former on all those.

Randolph at the price of his current contract till 2011? I'll pass.

[nickfury]

I think that if Mo can handle Zach, Ed would have to consider it. After Brand, Randolph is the only proven talent that I see us being able to acquire. We know that Z-Bo can average 20 and 10 for the Sixers. That can't be said about anyone talked about on this board aside from Brand. He may have his defensive deficiencies, but I think of us as a pretty good team on D.

Another plus of bringing in Randolph is that we should be able to bring him in cheap. If we can get him for cap space and one of the players that the wise person above me posted, then maybe we could have a couple bucks left over to pick up a big defensive center to lean up against Dwight Howard or a three
point shooter. We could then possibly acquire the other in the draft.

Picture this. Bring in Zach, bring back Shav and draft Anthony for the triple play. The wachovia center would be the law offices of Randolph,Randolph and Randolph.

[nickfury]

The wise person I was referring to was TGP

[underpressure]

If we cannot obtain Elton Brand, I would certainly like to acquire Zach Randolph. Since he has played a terrible season, we might get him pretty cheap. I think Reggie Evans, Willie Green and cap space could make it work. We might have to add Rodney Carney but that's not crucial... A trio comprised of Andre, Iggy and Randolph would certainly lift as to the next level. But first, we have to make a push for Elton Brand.

[ITK9]

if the price is willie green and reggie evans(+our cap space) i would trade for him.i think he can fit well next to sammy.

[freshie2]

From the Walsh press conference yesterday, you would think he'd be willing to move either Curry or Zach, but I don't think either one is coming to town. Zach is a nice talent, but for some reason I don't see him as a fit here.

[Mozy-76er Fan]

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I would consider it if other options fail. Here is contract info:

Zach Randolph

$13,333,333 - 07/08

$14,666,666 - 08/09

$16,000,000 - 09/10

$17,333,333 - 10/11

Not pretty!

[dbodner]

Marbury: "we got youthier"

lol.

It was Miles cheeks really didn't get along with. I didn't hear anything about Mo and Randolph.

I'd probably pass on Randolph. That contract's a killer, he doesn't pass well enough to truly elevate a team, and his defense is mediocre at best.

[ankle420breaker]

calling his defense mediocre is a bit generous IMO.

[SendEm]

Zach is no longer a good NBA player. He can make shots, but that's it. No assists, no steals. no block shots, no defense, no passing, no hustle, NOTHING but selfish scoring and good position rebounding. The Sixers will be capped out with Zach's salary and he isn't good enough for that. Besides players that turn it on and off and play whenever they want to are perennial losers and franchise killers like Zach. The Knicks just so happen to be filled with franchise killers.

[bebopdeluxe]

While Brand is certainly my first option, I would certainly consider Randolph if the numbers could be made more palatable - i.e his net cap add is something in the $5-7 million range. That would obviously mean that the Knicks would have to take both Evans and Green (which is something like a combined $7-9 million offset...right?).

One question - if we have, say, $11 million in cap room this summer, can we slice it into a $5-6 million piece to bring in Zach and use the remaining $5-6 million to bring in another player (i.e. Turiaf)?

I'm not saying that I'm getting a chubby over this, but it is an option that I would consider - if the Knicks were willing to make it financially worth our while...and since we are one of the only teams that could even consider doing a deal like this (because of our cap space), we should use every bit of leverage the cap space gives us. If Brand is not available, and Randolph is the best available trade option, I might consider it.

He's not a defensive whiz, but the guy can flat-out score and rebound.

[tk76]

I say No to getting Youthier with Zach.

[51X3RF4N]

SendEm, I have been watching you post this garbage nonsense over and over on this board, and I just have to say something about your comment.

If you think he never passes/assists...which you can kind of tell how often he "passes" based on his number of "assists", you are wrong.

For a PF who is on the floor mainly to play down low, score, and rebound, and NOT to do all those other things like block shots, steal, and pass, he has averaged 4 out of the last 5 seasons 2 or more assists per game. That is impressive. Much more than A.Stoudemire. You have to understand he isn't being paid to steal the ball or block shots. He is being paid to plain and simple put the ball in the hole and grab it when it doesn't go in. And he does that well, and he does that CONSISTENTLY.

Also, what do you think is the missing piece for this Sixers team? Because last time I looked, they were in need of someone who can consistently rebound the ball while still being able to score down low in the post. Selfishly or not, if the guy drops 20 points and grabs 10 boards every game consistently, the Sixers win more. Evans right now can't score 20 points in 20 games. Young can do it, but not effectively and on a regular enough basis to be considered a true PF. And nobody else out there save for Brand or other stars we can't get can do the same night in and night out.

He is on the friggin Knicks...they are terrible and yet he still does his job, without too much complaining, and passes the ball enough to get 2 assists a game. You know why he gets those assists? Because he is dominant down low and draws double teams so he can pass to the open man and they can score! That is the presence this team is missing. Period.

Ok enough of that...onto my thoughts on the matter at hand in the thread..... I would take him in a heartbeat IF the price was Green/Evans/and some money. You have to remember the money booth ollie and shav are receiving this year comes off the books...that is 5.6 million....add that to the 7.3 million of evans and green, and you are sitting with 12.9 million dollars. Brand is making somewhere around 13 million.

So we resign Iggy, resign Williams, which doesn't cut into our 11 million number. Then we send about 6 million of the 11 million in space along with Green and Evans, and we get back our missing link in terms of starters. 1st round pick can be a C. Getting Brand allows Iggy and Thad to slide to the SG/SF combo, respectively. And brings J.Smith, Carney, L-Will, and a rookie off the bench. That is 9 NBA ready and able bodies to work with. Pretty decent depth.

Then we use the remaining 5 million in cap space to work some deals with FA's and fill in gaps on the bench. We could get a Childress type player with that money, and go after any old scrubs to play the rest of the roster spots. Either way, there is flexibility. We could go C in FA such as Beindrins, and then go SG in the draft. Herb Hill deserves another shot at it. So he is the 11th guy. Then all you need is bench fodder for the last 4 guys. A second round pick I assume makes it. Now you need 3 guys like Booth to sit and look pretty. That it where Ed's scouting talents work to our advantage. Find the cheapest 3 guys who may not make it on other teams, and turn them into gems on our team. Lol. Honestly, I know it's a pipedream, but I like this roster:

C-Daly/Rookie(R. Lopez? Thabeet? Hibbert?)
PF-Z-Bo/Smith
SF-Young/Childress
SG-Iggy/Carney
PG-Miller/L-Will

We are literally replacing Evans with Z-Bo and Green with Childress...and Booth with a 1st round C to compete with Sammy......would ANYONE have a problem with that offseason?? I wouldn't.

[Skates]

All Zach can do is score and board. We solve our inside scoring problem maybe, but the whole defensive and offensive schemes get thrown out of whack. He can't pass (outlet passes or passes from the post), can't play D, turns the ball over at a healthy clip and isn't exactly a gazelle on the fast break. Throw in his attitude/mental issues, the fact that he can't get along with a good coach like McMillan and his contract, no thanks. If you think Sammy gets in foul trouble now, imagine if he had to essentially cover both opposing big men.

Randolph barely averages more combined assists, steal and blocks than he does turnovers. The only guy with a worse ratio on those stats is his buddy, Eddy Curry. Good rule of thumb - Never acquire a guy that a good team dumped and Isiah picked up.

[SouthJersey]

That salary is a killer. Is he another Webber? From what I have saw from Randolph this year was weak. Byut with Miller at the point and some solid D around him, he could fit in with this team.

The other flip side to this is how often do we get beat by the opposing teams PF? BC of Dalembert lo-post presence, he can erase alot of mistakes.

[51X3RF4N]

Skates, please next time do some research....

the ratio you speak of for Randolph is 1.15

Leon Powe is 1.14

Evans is 1.43

Dalembert's is 1.7

Glen Davis is 1.25

Okafor is 1.7

Big Z is 1.89

Yao is 1.45....

Warrick is 1.36

Al Jefferson is 1.9

Tyson Chandler is 1.44

D-Howard is 1.40

Shaq, granted having a limited season, is 1.13

Wilcox is 1.47

So, with this info, I am to assume that Wilcox is better than Chandler, Howard, Yao, and Randolph?

Or that Reggie Evans is on the same level as Howard, Yao, Randolph, Chandler? This ratio means nothing. Seriously. Because Daly blocks tons of shots, but can't pass well or steal much, he is considered better than Dwight Howard?? No.

Furthermore, Z-Bo's number is lower because he doesn't block shots, which Daly does, so in terms of a compliment to a player, Daly is a very good one to Z. Randolph.

[Louis Williams]

Zach's a good player, but I will pass.