2004 Draft do over

[dre_24]

If teams could do the draft over based on what they have done so far in their careers, where would they've gone?

Here's mine:

1. Dwight Howard
2. Iguodala
3. Al Jefferson
4. Okafor
5. Josh Smith
6. Ben Gordon
7. Luol Deng
8. Kevin Martin
9. Jameer Nelson
10.Josh Childress
11.Andris Biedrins
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[bebopdeluxe]

No way Iggy is 2.

I think that 9 is/was too low, but I think that if you polled NBA GM's, most would take Jefferson over Iggy - as would I (question: if you could trade Iggy straight up for Jefferson, would you do it? I would...in a nanosecond).

Depending on a team's needs, I could see Josh Smith or Okafor going over Iggy as well...or even Biedrins if you needed a big.

But still...getting Iggy at 9 (and Thad at 12, for that matter) was pretty good.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Jameer Nelson made the list but Devin Harris didn't?

No way would I take Nelson over Harris. Harris is a much better pro player. As good offensively and way better than Nelson on D.

I also would not have Iguodala as high as 2. I would put Jefferson #2 despite what he lacks on D. He's still extreemly young so he can imporve there if he dedicates himself to it. Also, bigs like Jefferson are so much harder to find than a solid wing player IMO.

1. Dwight Howard
2. Al Jefferson
3. Josh Smith (a hair above the next 2 guys)
4a. Iguodala
4b. Luol Deng
6. Andris Biedrins
7. Devin Harris
8. Kevin Martin
9. Okafor
10. Ben Gordon
11. Josh Childress
12-15. Beno Udrih/Delonte West/Jameer Nelson/Varejao

[mmh119]

1. Dwight Howard
2. Al Jefferson
3. Andre Iguodala
4. Andris Biedrins
5. Josh Smith
6. Kevin Martin
7. Devin Harris
8. Emeka Okafor
9. Luol Deng
10. Ben Gordon
11. Josh Childress
12. Beno Udrih
13. Jameer Nelson
14. Delonte West
15. Anderson Varejao
16. JR Smith

[UptownPhilly]

Top 5
1) Dwight Howard
2) Al Jefferson
3) Andre Iguodala
4) Emeka Okafor
5) Josh Smith

[kdot99]

1) Dwight Howard
2) Al Jefferson
3) Josh Smith
4) Andre Iguodala
5) Kevin Martin
6) Luol Deng
7) Emeka Okafor
Devin Harris
9) Andris Biedrins
10) Ben Gordon

[Mahorn at the 4]

1- Howard
2- Jefferson
3- Iguodala
4- Smith
5- Biedrins

[Pacersike]

1. Dwight Howard
2. Al Jefferson
3. Andre Iguodala
4. Emeka Okafor
5. Kevin Martin
6. Luol Deng
7. Josh Smith
8. Andris Biedrins
9. Devin Harris
10. Ben Gordon

[chrice]

1. Howard
2. Jefferson
3. Iguodala
4. Smith
5. Deng
6. Biedrins
7. Okafor
8. Martin
9. Harris
10.Gordon

[SendEm]

LOL @ where you guys have Kevin Martin placed. Hands down Martin would be ranked NO LOWER than 4, and that is whether or not a team wants a defensive PF in Okafor over him at the 3rd pick.

Howard
Jefferson
Okafor
Martin
Iggy
Smith or Deng
Devin Harris
Biedrins or Ben Gordan
Josh Childress
Anderson Varej

[T-Spot]

And the Raptors used their 8th pick to draft a guy who currently sucks balls....in a RUSSIAN LEAGUE.

*Loads shotgun*

1. Howard
2. Jefferson
3. Okafor
4. Smith/Iggy/Martin [its a toss up, all of them are great players]
5. Deng

[SendEm]

For the record, Iggy is better than Okafor but bigs hold more value than perimeter players and always will unless the NBA widens the paint by 10+ feet ...

[mmh119]

For the record, Iggy is better than Okafor but bigs hold more value than perimeter players and always will unless the NBA widens the paint by 10+ feet ...

Andris Biedrins is almost 4 years younger then Okafor and is just developing into a good player I think within the next 1 to 2 years he will be a much better player then Emeka Okafor.

[freshie2]

Interesting...agree that Iguodala is 3rd behind the two big men. Drafts are always fun to look at 4 years later...makes everyone who didn't actually participate in the draft feel really smart.

[SendEm]

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Andris Biedrins is almost 4 years younger then Okafor and is just developing into a good player I think within the next 1 to 2 years he will be a much better player then Emeka Okafor.

Biendrins will NEVER be better than Okafor
You believe that he will be JUST because he is a few years younger?
I'm glad that I'm capable of looking at basketball skills/talent and not JUST age.

[mmh119]

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Biendrins will NEVER be better than Okafor
You believe that he will be JUST because he is a few years younger?
I'm glad that I'm capable of looking at basketball skills/talent and not JUST age.

You are right I based it just on his age I guess and not on the fact that he is better offensively around the basket and rebounds at a higher rate per minute.

Maybe you should be a real gm instead of a realgm message board poster since you are so much better at evaluating talent then everyone else. I would love to see the teams you could put together since in your mind potential does not exist.

[SendEm]

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You are right I based it just on his age I guess and not on the fact that he is better offensively around the basket and rebounds at a higher rate per minute.

Maybe you should be a real gm instead of a realgm message board poster since you are so much better at evaluating talent then everyone else. I would love to see the teams you could put together since in your mind potential does not exist.

Before Tyson Chandler played with Chris Paul the whole world thought that he was a VERY talented draft BUST with "potential". Life is great as an unskilled athletic big man when you are on a team with GREAT guard play, just ask Andris Biendrins.
When you are a big man on a team with crappy guard play like Omeka you then are subject to having "EXPERT" fantasy basketball players compare your numbers and contributions to a player that's the beneficiary of playing with the BEST perimeter trio in the entire NBA.
Bottomline, place Omeka on Golden State and they wouldn't be fighting to get in the playoffs the last couple of years. They would have solidified a spot there already now AND moving forward...
Omeka has actual post moves AND can hold his position...Biendrins knows how to take advantage of the opposing team not playing any defense on him as they concentrate on the 4 other players on the court for his team that are better than him...

[The Sixer Fixer]

Biendrins will NEVER be better than Okafor

Wrong, Biedrins is ALREADY better than Okafor.

What is it that people see in Okafor? He is WAY overrated as a defender. He has virtually no offensivs skills outside of 2 ft. Ask him to put the ball on the floor and it's a turnover. His post game is extreemly limited. He has absolutely no jump shot. He doesn't know what the word pass means. He can't hit FT's. He's a good rebounder, that's it. Talk about a guy who is outplayed by his oponent almost every night on the court. Keep this overrated (and soon to be overpaid) stiff away from the Sixers.

Biedrins is a better rebounder. Better offensive player and more athletic than Okafor. I'm not sure there is one thing that Okafor is better at than Biedrins. People as so stuck on Okafor because he was such a high pick and has name recognition. Face it, he's not worth anything close to what he's asking for in FA.

[mmh119]

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Before Tyson Chandler played with Chris Paul the whole world thought that he was a VERY talented draft BUST with "potential". Life is great as an unskilled athletic big man when you are on a team with GREAT guard play, just ask Andris Biendrins.
When you are a big man on a team with crappy guard play like Omeka you then are subject to having "EXPERT" fantasy basketball players compare your numbers and contributions to a player that's the beneficiary of playing with the BEST perimeter trio in the entire NBA.
Bottomline, place Omeka on Golden State and they wouldn't be fighting to get in the playoffs the last couple of years. They would have solidified a spot there already now AND moving forward...
Omeka has actual post moves AND can hold his position...Biendrins knows how to take advantage of the opposing team not playing any defense on him as they concentrate on the 4 other players on the court for his team that are better than him...

First of all I have never played a fantasy basketball game in my life. I have seen the guy play many times and to call him unskilled is completely ridiculous. He is a very talented big man with a nice post game which is still improving.

I like EMEKA Okafor alot and right now he is a slightly better all around player. Biedrins is more athletic and gives you very similar production and is still improving. If i was starting a team I would take the guy with the bigger upside. That to me is Andris. I could be wrong but in 2 years I see him putting up 16 plus points per game along with 10-12 rebounds.

Talk all you want about swapping Okafor for Biedrins and turning the Warriors into a contender but last time I looked his teams have never won more then 33 games in the JV league so i don't know about your statement. I am not blaming him for all the losing but hey that is a fact.

[SendEm]

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First of all I have never played a fantasy basketball game in my life. I have seen the guy play many times and to call him unskilled is completely ridiculous. He is a very talented big man with a nice post game which is still improving.

I like EMEKA Okafor alot and right now he is a slightly better all around player. Biedrins is more athletic and gives you very similar production and is still improving. If i was starting a team I would take the guy with the bigger upside. That to me is Andris. I could be wrong but in 2 years I see him putting up 16 plus points per game along with 10-12 rebounds.

Talk all you want about swapping Okafor for Biedrins and turning the Warriors into a contender but last time I looked his teams have never won more then 33 games in the JV league so i don't know about your statement. I am not blaming him for all the losing but hey that is a fact.

More athletic? He's a twig...I wouldn't call Biendrins more athletic than Okafor considering the MAJOR strength advantage Okafor possesses. If these two players were running backs Okafor would be an every down back and Biendrin's is a 3rd down back. Biendrin's greatest accomplishments come on paper. He shows up statistically whenever he plays the whole game and doesn't get benched by Nellie in favor of an even smaller lineup. But the fact is that Biendrin's is the "anchor" on the WORST defensive team in the entire NBA. Biendrin's "youth" over Okafor would probably matter to me if Biendrin's were 18-19 instead of 22. Okafor did more in the NBA than Biendrin's back when he was 22.