Why doesn't Iggy average 20 + points?

carlos1223 · Post #1 » by **carlos1223** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:25 am

I think he is very capable of doing this. But he doesnt. Why not? If he could average 20 + points a game we would win this series vs the Pistons. No question. However, his lack of a killer instinct will be this teams downfall

UptownPhilly · Post #2 » by **UptownPhilly** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:29 am

??? He basically averaged 20 ppg in the regular season

We're only one game into the playoffs. Give him some time.

sixers_610 · Post #3 » by **sixers_610** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:35 am

carlos1223 wrote:I think he is very capable of doing this. But he doesnt. Why not? If he could average 20 + points a game we would win this series vs the Pistons. No question. However, his lack of a killer instinct will be this teams downfall

How could you suggest we would win the series no question if one player averaged 20+ ppg in the series? There's a lot more to winning than that.

Post #4 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:36 am

If having a 20+ scorer were the criteria needed, we would have won an NBA championship when we had the scoring leader.

carlos1223 · Post #5 » by **carlos1223** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:37 am

I'm basically that Iggy has the potential to be a poor man's Lebron an d take over games. But he's not taking advantage of it

Post #6 » by **tk76** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:39 am

We have two other players that are more naturally gifted scorers tha AIG in Young And Lou. Unfortunately they are 19 and 21 years old, so I doubt they will be regularly putting up 20 anytime soon.

Iguodala is at his best when he brings his total game to the table. He may have looked bad on offense last game, but I'm sure his 9 boards and 8 assists helped. Uncharacteristically, no steals, but he played solid defense.

If Iguodala continues to bring nearly triple double numbers to the table the Sixers have a good shot.

SendEm · Post #7 » by **SendEm** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:46 am

Kevin Martin 23.7
Richard Jefferson 22.6
Corey Maggette 22.1
Jason Richardson 21.8
Kevin Durant 20.3
Rudy Gay 20.1
Iggy 19.9

We need a scorer not the uncapfriendly long term contract of a timid offensive player. Iggy is made of the same sort of stuff that Boris Diaw is made of. They both are the same player but have adapted to COMPLETELY different bodies, something like a Sci-Fi meets basketball flick.

Welfare Fraud · Post #8 » by **Welfare Fraud** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:47 am

Iggy is best when he doesn't force it

why does killer instinct always mean "score a lot"

sixers_610 · Post #9 » by **sixers_610** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:48 am

Iggy is also very clutch

Sixercise · Post #10 » by **Sixercise** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:00 am

Better questions: Why must there be X amount of Iggy topics citing his lack of this and lack of that? Why can't you people just appreciate his pluses and minuses? Did anyone expect Iggy to be good as he is? :banghead:

Post #11 » by **tk76** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:04 am

SendEm wrote:Kevin Martin 23.7
Richard Jefferson 22.6
Corey Maggette 22.1
Jason Richardson 21.8
Kevin Durant 20.3
Rudy Gay 20.1
Iggy 19.9

We need a scorer not the uncapfriendly long term contract of a timid offensive player. Iggy is made of the same sort of stuff that Boris Diaw is made of. They both are the same player but have adapted to COMPLETELY different bodies, something like a Sci-Fi meets basketball flick.

At the risk of this descending into the same argument v.21.0...

Well only one player on that list will score a point in the playoffs this year- and AIG had a similar supporting cast.

Could it be that AIG's total game was able to bring more W's to his team than the other guys you listed who scored 1-2 more ppg?

SendEm · Post #12 » by **SendEm** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:05 am

Welfare Fraud wrote:Iggy is best when he doesn't force it

why does killer instinct always mean "score a lot"

I believe Killer Instinct means scoring when your team needs you no matter who's guarding you. Ricky Davis has averaged 20 ppg in this league and I don't believe him to have a killer instinct. He is just selfish and offensively gifted as a scorer. Tayshaun Prince doesn't score much but he has a killer instinct and will put together 6-8 straight points whenever his team needs him to do so. Killer instinct could also mean as a SF that you drive the ball on your man to get a foul or collapse the defense for a assist to an open man. Killer instinct is NOT missing a dunk on the fast break and scoring below your regular season average. :wavefinger:

I'm so happy that the Sixers received some favorable calls against the Pistons especially when Iggy drove the ball, because if we didn't? :noway:

Hedo has a killer instinct, Paul Pierce, Michael Redd, Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson. But NOT Boris Diaw and Iggy...

CPops57 · Post #13 » by **CPops57** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:07 am

SendEm wrote:
Kevin Martin 23.7
Richard Jefferson 22.6
Corey Maggette 22.1
Jason Richardson 21.8
Kevin Durant 20.3
Rudy Gay 20.1
Iggy 19.9

I'm sure you'd agree though that scoring ability alone doesn't define a basketball player's worth

There are many other aspects of the game such as assist/turnover ratio, rebounding, defensive ability, and numerous other things that Iguodala is good or great at that some of these other players struggle with.

SendEm · Post #14 » by **SendEm** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:12 am

tk76 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

At the risk of this descending into the same argument v.21.0...

Well only one player on that list will score a point in the playoffs this year- and AIG had a similar supporting cast.

Could it be that AIG's total game was able to bring more W's to his team than the other guys you listed who scored 1-2 more ppg?

The answer to your question is Andre Miller. PERIOD!

SendEm · Post #15 » by **SendEm** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:25 am

CPops57 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm sure you'd agree though that scoring ability alone doesn't define a basketball player's worth

There are many other aspects of the game such as assist/turnover ratio, rebounding, defensive ability, and numerous other things that Iguodala is good or great at that some of these other players struggle with.

Indeed but the shooting and finishing ability of the players on that list will compliment Miller and the Sixers more than the weird skill set that Iguodala has.

Iguodala right now is being placed within the best position for him to obtain numbers and be effective just like Boris Diaw when Amare was hurt a few seasons ago. Since Amare came back The Suns no longer call plays for Diaw and allow him to play down on the block. Cheeks is placing Iggy in the unique position to do much of what Iverson did while here and that is to create his own shot or create an assist all while dribbling the ball in the half court IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOOR.

Let's say that the Sixers get Chris Paul for nothing, who do you want handling the ball in the middle of the floor Chris Paul for the ENTIRE GAME or Chris Paul sharing the middle of the floor playmaking duties with Iggy? If and WHEN Iggy returns back to being a FULLTIME wing player he will suck and average like 15-16 points just like what Shawn Marion averaged this season because he can't create his own shot, unless you count that "ball stopping" pull up jump shot of his. :banghead:

Iggy isn't good enough to be allowed to create in the middle of the floor like he is a PG. :noway:

Sixersftw · Post #16 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:30 am

i'll do the honors today

76ciology · Post #17 » by **76ciology** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:19 am

Basically because he doesn't have a scorer's mentality and isn't a good one on one player.

76erinSJ · Post #18 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:38 am

So Dala had nothing to do with our season? He was just a role player? And I wouldnt say Redd is clutch.

phillyborn_jacksonite · Post #19 » by **phillyborn_jacksonite** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:16 am

this is a simple answer he's shooting 72% from the free throw line. If gets it to 80%...well there you go 20 points per game.....

ok maybe too simplistic

lets face it..he's is our no 2 option. we really don't have a no. 1

Honestly if i had to give it to anyone on our team at the end of a game its going to Lou

When we lost that ridiculous game to the cavs last week lebron got the ball at the end and i am sure everyone on this board had the same thought run thru our collective heads

"fu__, LB is going to drive it and get fouled or he's gonna dunk on some body"
I can't say that about iggy. Unfortunately.

But is he better than last year?....Yes definitely
should we sign him for more than 10 mil per...Yes definitely
more than 12 mil per...probably not
in fact if i am Ed i negotiate with hat as my ceiling 5 year deal 12 mil per. He is worth that IMO. He is extremely durable and always impacts the game...in a major way..put a legit SG next to him and wala..he gets even better....

eyeatoma · Post #20 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:42 am

phillyborn_jacksonite wrote:put a legit SG next to him and wala..he gets even better....

LOL, wala...it's Voila