Game 3: Pistons @ 76ers 4/25/08

[Sixersftw]

thats a fair opinion but thats really all it can be. While i will agree that both would get shut down by the double, iguodala obviously and magette b/c he also isn't that elite LBJ/kobe unguardable wing level either. we have no idea of knowing if maggette will be better against a double because he's NEVER been doubled. he's always had a beast down low in brand who's getting the double and if brand and he stay next year he'll have brand kaman and possibly thorton recieving more attention.

see. the cavs spurs and lakers board doesnt have this much fun debating their nigh flawless players .....(i'm so sad inside)

[Sixerscan]

Maggette isn't a very good defender and what's worse for us he's a pure SF. With Willie Green starting at the 2 we need a 3 that can handle the ball. Maggette can't do that at all. They also think Thad is the long term answer at SF, with Iggy at least he can slide between the spots unchangeably. MAggette is a good underrated player, but a bad fit for us.

[SendEm]

The thing about Iggy is, how would he benefit from another player being doubled? Would he then be able to knock down the open jump shot? Would he then be able to get to the basket and finish? Iggy is a niche player. His niche is the iso in the center of the floor. He also has a sweet spot from the right elbow of the foul line extending out towards the bend of the 3 point line. Anything outside of those areas including the center of the court Iggy is not comfortable and effective with. Iggy is reliant upon creating his own offense or creating for another player, he is not a 20ppg player by being a finisher like Maggette is. Iggy can only benefit from Iggy. Iggy's assist are the only thing that could go up if he played with Elton Brand. Most likely his scoring would go down.

[Sixersftw]

Iggy's assist are the only thing that could go up if he played with Elton Brand. Most likely his scoring would go down.

doubt his scoring would take a substantial hit. he already passes it to old stone hands and g.o.a.t. evans like they where duncan and the admiral. his opportunites would remain around about the same.

[Sixerscan]

The thing about Iggy is, how would he benefit from another player being doubled? Would he then be able to knock down the open jump shot? Would he then be able to get to the basket and finish? Iggy is a niche player. His niche is the iso in the center of the floor. He also has a sweet spot from the right elbow of the foul line extending out towards the bend of the 3 point line. Anything outside of those areas including the center of the court Iggy is not comfortable and effective with. Iggy is reliant upon creating his own offense or creating for another player, he is not a 20ppg player by being a finisher like Maggette is. Iggy can only benefit from Iggy. Iggy's assist are the only thing that could go up if he played with Elton Brand. Most likely his scoring would go down.

His "nitch" is all the things he does besides scoring. The problem for you is that's all you seem to look at.

[SendEm]

Maggette isn't a very good defender and what's worse for us he's a pure SF. With Willie Green starting at the 2 we need a 3 that can handle the ball. Maggette can't do that at all. They also think Thad is the long term answer at SF, with Iggy at least he can slide between the spots unchangeably. MAggette is a good underrated player, but a bad fit for us.

Is Iggy's handle REALLY better than Maggette's? Iggy has a superior open court handle/passing that's in the upper echelon of players 6'5" and taller but in the half court his break down ability is non existent and his assists are a function of him consistently having the ball and not being able to finish the play himself from his lack of skills in that area resulting in a WILLINGNESS to pass. We have seen MANY bad Iguodala passes. If Maggette is "just" a SF then certainly Iguodala is the same... Maggette may not be able to initiate and orchestrate the fast break offense as well as Iggy but in the half court he can play the SG position far better than Iggy. Maggette's full court speed isn't nearly as fast as Iggy's but he's a quicker player than Iggy allowing him to beat his defender off of the dribble NIGHTLY. Maggette is the same exact player as Caron Butler but with less of a willingness to pass and more of a focus to drive hard to the basket and score/get fouled.

[SendEm]

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His "nitch" is all the things he does besides scoring. The problem for you is that's all you seem to look at.

What he does besides dunk on the fast break is NOT good enough. Andre Miller is the mascara that has been concealing it since the Iverson trade. There isn't a statistics for opportunity in the NBA. Iggy is the beneficiary of a great opportunity, playing 40 minutes per game, being able to iso with a green light in the only area of the floor where he has any game, as well as having blazing speed to get out on the fastbreak and dunk. He's not the Aaron Mckie or Scottie Pippen type HIGHLY SKILLED utility player that he has been made out to be because both of them had game in the half court that didn't involve them HAVING to have the ball to create. Iggy is not a good enough creator to continually have him in that position for years to come. We already know that he is complete garbage as an off ball wing player just look at the Iverson years. His defense is overrated and has already been downgraded in the media to "he plays both ends of the floor" from "he's a great defender/he has potential to be a great defender"

[Sixerscan]

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Is Iggy's handle REALLY better than Maggette's?

Yes. More APG less TPG, More A/40 less T/40, higher Assist rate lower TO rate.

Maggette is well known for being TO prone while not making up for it by creating for others.

Also, Maggette's usage rate has been fairly consistently over 27 the last few years and Iggy's this year has been 23.8. In other words Maggette makes a play on 27% of the Clips possessions while Iggy 24% for us. So in regards to Iggy having the ball in his hands more... no.

Maggette is the same exact player as Caron Butler but with less of a willingness to pass and more of a focus to drive hard to the basket and score/get fouled.

So they're exactly alike except Butler lacks Maggette's defining characterist (getting to the line) and Maggette lacks Butler's (creating for others).

Caron Butler is also a much, much better defender (Always seem to forget about that part...)

What he does besides dunk on the fast break is NOT good enough. Andre Miller is the mascara that has been concealing it since the Iverson trade. There isn't a statistics for opportunity in the NBA. Iggy is the beneficiary of a great opportunity, playing 40 minutes per game, being able to iso with a green light in the only area of the floor where he has any game, as well as having blazing speed to get out on the fastbreak and dunk. He's not the Aaron Mckie or Scottie Pippen type HIGHLY SKILLED utility player that he has been made out to be because both of them had game in the half court that didn't involve them HAVING to have the ball to create. Iggy is not a good enough creator to continually have him in that position for years to come. We already know that he is complete garbage as an off ball wing player just look at the Iverson years. His defense is overrated and has already been downgraded in the media to "he plays both ends of the floor" from "he's a great defender/he has potential to be a great defender"

If you say so.

[SendEm]

I never heard of the usage stat but from your explanation you are actually interpreting it wrong in relationship to it being a feather in your cap in proving that Maggette is USED more than Iggy on offense. That stat would seem to mean that Maggette ORDUCES more with the ball when he has it in comparison to Iggy. Maggette has a 27% chance of making a positive play while Iggy has a 23% chance no? You combine that with the fact that Maggette plays 5 less minutes than Iguodala and you have a VERY important player to his team. Iguodala is just presented with the opportunity to make plays, all game every game, but unlike the big boys he doesn't get it done.

Now if you meant the usage stat to mean that Iggy TOUCHES the ball 23% of the time and Maggette TOUCHES the ball 27% of the time then you would have a valid point, but all you seemingly did was prove just how much more of an effective player Maggette is in comparison to Iguodala.

[darius08]

How many threads are hijacked before something is done? Is there no scope for moderators to do something? That's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.

[Sixerscan]

I never heard of the usage stat but from your explanation you are actually interpreting it wrong in relationship to it being a feather in your cap in proving that Maggette is USED more than Iggy on offense. That stat would seem to mean that Maggette ORDUCES more with the ball when he has it in comparison to Iggy. Maggette has a 27% chance of making a positive play while Iggy has a 23% chance no? You combine that with the fact that Maggette plays 5 less minutes than Iguodala and you have a VERY important player to his team. Iguodala is just presented with the opportunity to make plays, all game every game, but unlike the big boys he doesn't get it done.

Now if you meant the usage stat to mean that Iggy TOUCHES the ball 23% of the time and Maggette TOUCHES the ball 27% of the time then you would have a valid point, but all you seemingly did was prove just how much more of an effective player Maggette is in comparison to Iguodala.

Maggette is used, or makes a play that shows up in the box score (good or bad) on 27% of the Clips possessions. Iggy 24%

[Sixerscan]

How many threads are hijacked before something is done? Is there no scope for moderators to do something? That's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.

It's an old game thread. There's a new one for tonight. Relax.

[SendEm]

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Maggette is used, or makes a play that shows up in the box score (good or bad) on 27% of the Clips possessions. Iggy 24%

Well they both were 19's during the regular season in efficiency. They both have completely different skill sets with Maggette having the one that I believe is better suited for Championship basketball being that CHIPS are won in the half court. You can look at Championship teams for the last 25 years and not see a player with the skill set that Iggy has and that IS NOT a positive considering how much of the salary cap Iggy is looking to have devoted to him for the next 5 seasons.

[SouthJersey]

Magette is not a smart player and I dont see him ever being a championship player, unless its like how Glenn Robinson got a ring. That guy does not make good choices with his shots and is very turnover prone. Pretty much he's a bad vince carter.

[Sixerscan]

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Well they both were 19's during the regular season in efficiency. They both have completely different skill sets with Maggette having the one that I believe is better suited for Championship basketball being that CHIPS are won in the half court. You can look at Championship teams for the last 25 years and not see a player with the skill set that Iggy has and that IS NOT a positive considering how much of the salary cap Iggy is looking to have devoted to him for the next 5 seasons.

Nothing to do with what we were talking about.

[SendEm]

Magette is not a smart player and I dont see him ever being a championship player, unless its like how Glenn Robinson got a ring. That guy does not make good choices with his shots and is very turnover prone. Pretty much he's a bad vince carter.

Ouch

[SendEm]

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Nothing to do with what we were talking about.

It has EVERYTHING to do with what was said. 90% of that post is just me reiterating what I posted earlier. Are you at a "Sixers pregame party" or something?

[STChaser]

moved to game 4 post