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Post#1 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri May 2, 2008 2:55 am

While adding a quality 4 through free agency would be a good start, it isn't the only solution. That could get us to the 2nd round, possibly even the ECF if our young guys mature enough... but to get to elite NBA level, we'll need some guys who can consistently knock down mid-ranged jumpers.

After this series, I'm not so sure trading Iguodala would be a bad move, but that 100% depends on the return value. Could a sign and trade land us a player that I think we need? I can't say.

But this team right now has very little half court offense. When we can't run, we are screwed. If we were to add a nice post presence, then what is the point if they don't have a shooter to kick it back out to? I'm not talking about a one-dimensional shooter like Korver either. I think a Michael Redd type player is exactly what this team needs.

The problem is, we only have so much money under the cap, and if we were to land a shooter, it would have to come via trade. Iguodala might have to be the guy we need to move to get that piece.

Otherwise, we are stuck with a solid starting lineup, but still lacking the shooter to spread the floor. Our lack of spacing was totally exploited in this series. Detroit double teamed, and we had no open shooters to kick it out to. Detroit disrespected our perimeter game, and it paid off big-time.
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Post#2 » by THE2ndComing.AI » Fri May 2, 2008 3:16 am

Chase Budinger, Josh Smith
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Post#3 » by CPops57 » Fri May 2, 2008 3:34 am

I'm not too worried about being able to add a shooter. Utah added arguably the best one in the league for an expiring contract and a late first rounder. There's always a few snipers out there who are available around the vet minimum.

If you're talking about adding a starter who is a great shooter, I don't think that Michael Redd specifically would produce enough wins to compensate for the high price it would take to get him.

If you do insist on adding a starter who is a good shooter, one player I quite like is Mike Miller.
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Post#4 » by Hewy29 » Fri May 2, 2008 3:51 am

Draft Chase. Put him at the two, igg at 3, and thad at 4. Forget trying to get josh smith when we got Thad to mold into one of the ultimate hybrid forwards.
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Post#5 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri May 2, 2008 3:56 am

Well here's how I see it basically:

If we keep Iguodala, I think we'll have success with him. We could win 48-50 games and go to the 2nd round or the ECF like I said.

But I think if we do keep Iguodala and just add a PF, then 2 years from now we'll be saying to ourselves "Damn, this is as far as we are going to go with this guy. It was a good ride, but we need a player who can hit shots consistently."

Hey, I want to keep Iguodala. If we can add a PF and a shooter without trading Iggy, then absolutely. Get it done. But with our current situation, I think trading him might be the only way. I can't see a package of Carney, whoever else getting it done. I don't want to trade Thaddeus Young under any circumstance.

Iguodala might be the only way. Michael Redd wasn't a specific player, just the type of player I think we need. A guy who can run the floor, take it to the rack, but also spread the floor and hit a jump shot consistently. Iguodala can do all those things, but shoot. I think he'll give us success, but I do think he can only take us so far. I think he is a GREAT #3 option, a good #2 option, but not a #1 guy.
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Post#6 » by Sixersftw » Fri May 2, 2008 5:13 am

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Iguodala might be the only way. Michael Redd wasn't a specific player, just the type of player I think we need. A guy who can run the floor, take it to the rack, but also spread the floor and hit a jump shot consistently. Iguodala can do all those things, but shoot. I think he'll give us success, but I do think he can only take us so far. I think he is a GREAT #3 option, a good #2 option, but not a #1 guy.


i can't think of anyone like that who would be available. perhaps miller but he isn't a #1 scorer either. Trading iggy is picking shooting over defense because redd is a terrible defender. I'm down to trade him if the right deal but i don't know anyone who is a shooter that would be available, and doesn't get lit up every night on the other end.
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Post#7 » by PHILLYLOVE » Fri May 2, 2008 7:19 am

Trading iggy is picking shooting over D?
I'm sorry but Iggy might be the most overrated defender in the East. Prince destroyed Iggy offensively. Iggy could not stop him...granted prince has height and length on him but a supposed great defender would not need that excuse.
Picking up a lot of steals doesn't make you a great defender...shutting down opponents helps...I have yet to see Iggy do this on a consistent basis.
In a league of subpar defenders Iggy could be considered above the mean for the league, but he is not a great defender...he is simply above average and gets by with his athleticism and hype of his great d.

Also Chase is not the answer. If we doubt Iggy's ability to create and be the man...wait til you see Chase...
Bayless arrives at Ariz and Chase was ecstatic---he cannot be the man.
During games when Bayless or Hill were out and Chase was looked to get things going, he forced shots, looked uneasy and just looked out of place.
Unless we get a stud 2guard in the drat ala Eric gordon, i dont think 2guard is what we should draft. we need a headsy 2guard taht can be a reliable ball handler when needed...iggy does not fit this bill and neither does WG...or chase. don't know who does yet though, but iggy is better off as a three and our problem is so is thad and carney...some1 has to go this offseason between the three.

I'd love to draft DJ Augustin because i think miller could def get dealt next season if we start slow and augustin is perfect for this team. also if we draft dj, we'd need to acquire a big through FA or sign and trade as well.
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Post#8 » by bstein14 » Fri May 2, 2008 10:25 am

You can probably have Hayes coming off your bench for a contract slightly above the min.

I guess it'll depend on whether or not you go for a big name guy with all that cap space.
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Post#9 » by aniloman » Fri May 2, 2008 1:38 pm

Hey guys just wanted to give you props for the season you had this year. The shooter you are looking for would be JR Smith @ the 2 position. Getting a pf/c in the draft would be great for your team also

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Dalembert/Smith
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Young/draft pick/Evans
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AI/Carney
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JR Smith/Green
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Miller/Williams

JR had a break out season with the Nuggets even with the ball hogging dynamic duo of AI and Carmelo. He is a great streak shooter. A deal starting out just above the MLE at about 7-8 per for 3-4 years would be good. He also could run with the current squad you have. Thoughts????
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Post#10 » by bernal100 » Fri May 2, 2008 3:15 pm

Two words to totally solve our PF problems, and solve our lack of anykind of half-court offense.....KEVIN LOVE!!


Do whatever it takes to move up around pick 10-12 to secure him. He's the best Big Man who is the smartest I've seen the past 30 years. Super high B-Ball IQ. And his conditioning can always be Improved once around Pro trainers.


Kevin Love is the answer.
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Post#11 » by Stanford » Fri May 2, 2008 3:31 pm

Hell, A shooter would be nice
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Post#12 » by Sixersftw » Fri May 2, 2008 3:45 pm

PHILLYLOVE wrote:he is simply above average and gets by with his athleticism and hype of his great d.



and heres where your argument ended for me. you didn't need to go into a long paragraph on how he isn't a great defender. i don't think he's a great nor did indicated that hes a great defender. he's consistently above average. Michael Redd is a terrible defender therefor if you trade them you gain shooting. you lose defense. sounds like trading defense for shooting to me.
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Post#13 » by tk76 » Fri May 2, 2008 4:07 pm

AIG looked horrible in the series against the Pistons. I am convinced he can't handle long players (he also struggled against Hedo) but maybe he will do better at SG- esp as his shot continues to improve.

We can't just ignore the regular season. When you look at Iguodala's productivity compared to the man he was guarding (PER Differential) AIG ranked 3rd, only behind Lebron and Pierce- so I don't think people can say he is just an average defender.

The reason I want to keep AIG is that he fits the mold of what the team want to build around- athletes who attack on both ends. Young, Carney and Lou 9and even Sam) also fit this mold.

As much as I like Andre Miller, we might think about replacing him with a better shooting PG (like Calderon) which would help make up for our otherwise below average shooting. We can make up for the loss of Miller's post game by upgrading at PF.
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Post#14 » by c-mac 4.35 » Fri May 2, 2008 4:08 pm

THE2ndComing.AI wrote:Chase Budinger, Josh Smith


Josh smith off the hawks, he is not a shooter... maybe a jr smith from the nugs, that would be nice for you guys.
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Post#15 » by c-mac 4.35 » Fri May 2, 2008 4:12 pm

tk76 wrote:AIG looked horrible in the series against the Pistons. I am convinced he can't handle long players (he also struggled against Hedo) but maybe he will do better at SG- esp as his shot continues to improve.

We can't just ignore the regular season. When you look at Iguodala's productivity compared to the man he was guarding (PER Differential) AIG ranked 3rd, only behind Lebron and Pierce- so I don't think people can say he is just an average defender.

The reason I want to keep AIG is that he fits the mold of what the team want to build around- athletes who attack on both ends. Young, Carney and Lou 9and even Sam) also fit this mold.

As much as I like Andre Miller, we might think about replacing him with a better shooting PG (like Calderon) which would help make up for our otherwise below average shooting. We can make up for the loss of Miller's post game by upgrading at PF.


I agree.
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Post#16 » by 76ciology » Fri May 2, 2008 4:49 pm

tk76 wrote:AIG looked horrible in the series against the Pistons. I am convinced he can't handle long players (he also struggled against Hedo) but maybe he will do better at SG- esp as his shot continues to improve.

We can't just ignore the regular season. When you look at Iguodala's productivity compared to the man he was guarding (PER Differential) AIG ranked 3rd, only behind Lebron and Pierce- so I don't think people can say he is just an average defender.

The reason I want to keep AIG is that he fits the mold of what the team want to build around- athletes who attack on both ends. Young, Carney and Lou 9and even Sam) also fit this mold.

As much as I like Andre Miller, we might think about replacing him with a better shooting PG (like Calderon) which would help make up for our otherwise below average shooting. We can make up for the loss of Miller's post game by upgrading at PF.


On the contrary, the reason why I WANT to trade Iggy, aside from his horrible performance in the first round, is that I don't think that this team will go anywhere with Iggy. And I think this team will go FURTHER with iggy.

Without Iggy, we might have more cap flexibility in the summer. Maybe we could acquire two max type FAs (i.e Josh Howard and Elton Brand?). I'd rather pay the money Iggy is asking for guys who can actually show that he deserve that kind of money.

Without Iggy, we could acquire a young talented stud in the succeeding drafts via lotto pick. Iggy will hold us back because he would just keep the Sixers on the play-off hunt. And we clearly know that this team needs a lot, in order to be a legit contender in the play-offs.

The best case scenario here is Iggy taking less money. For the team, and for his sake. Acquire a FA or two, who can carry this team on his shoulders. And not pretend that he can. This way, the Sixers can be contenders and role players get role player type money.

Btw, you pointed out that Iggy fits the mold of this team. This team doesn't have any mold in it. It's more like a puzzle with a lot of missing pieces. We keep on talking of potential. But have you realized that even if our young guys all reached their peak, all at the same time, Sixers would still go nowhere. I hope you don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Iggy, I just have problem with what he's asking. And I hope he can think "for the team", with regards in his financial decision. Or I won't be surprised if fans in Philly will cheer Iggy with what they cheered for the Pistons..

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Post#17 » by STChaser » Fri May 2, 2008 5:33 pm

Hey guys just wanted to give you props for the season you had this year. The shooter you are looking for would be JR Smith @ the 2 position. Getting a pf/c in the draft would be great for your team also


Aniloman, I proposed that same idea a few days ago. Except I said we should trade Miller back to Denver for JR Smith and their 20th pick. However, if Iguodala got the deal done, I might be interested just the same. With JR Smith, Denver's 20th, our 16th, and our cap room, we would; A) have our SG and no longer have to worry about squeezing Thad out of his natural position just to accommodate Iguodala, B) have the cash to bring in an impact player at the 4, C) Have two decent draft picks - one landing us another PF and one landing us our future Center. In my opinion, it would be a no-brainer.

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Post#18 » by tk76 » Fri May 2, 2008 5:45 pm

Kwame Brown's 10M expiring yielded Paul Gasol.

Andre Miller has a 10M expiring next year. I hope it gets us more than JR Smith and a #20 pick (which was Jason Smith last year.)
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Post#19 » by noone » Fri May 2, 2008 5:51 pm

STChaser wrote:
Hey guys just wanted to give you props for the season you had this year. The shooter you are looking for would be JR Smith @ the 2 position. Getting a pf/c in the draft would be great for your team also


Aniloman, I proposed that same idea a few days ago. Except I said we should trade Miller back to Denver for JR Smith and their 20th pick. However, if Iguodala got the deal done, I might be interested just the same. With JR Smith, Denver's 20th, our 16th, and our cap room, we would; A) have our SG and no longer have to worry about squeezing Thad out of his natural position just to accommodate Iguodala, B) have the cash to bring in an impact player at the 4, C) Have two decent draft picks - one landing us another PF and one landing us our future Center. In my opinion, it would be a no-brainer.

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JR Smith has huge potential, but he's far too unreliable for me to trade Miller for him. I think we can definitely get more out of Miller than that, especially considering he's expiring.
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Post#20 » by IggyTheBEaST » Fri May 2, 2008 6:36 pm

I agree 100 percent. A PF is a huge missing peice to this team, but when he opens up shots for us from the outside, we need to be able to knock them down. Orlando keeps defenses honest on Howard in deep, but when the ball gets kicked out, they have snipers there ready to fire. We have nothing of the sort.
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