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Post#1 » by PhilasFinest » Wed May 28, 2008 10:29 pm

i still hope we try to get a big like Speights or Arthur if available but if we do indeed select one of the SG's in the draft...who would everyone like to see??

Brandon Rush?
CDR?
Budinger?

Chase is probably the better shooter of the bunch BUT i think hes the furthest away as a basketball player.
I like CDR's game and scoring ability but id be scared he would be another Carney.
Rush has an NBA body can play D and athletic ability to go with a pretty decent stroke.
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Post#2 » by sixerswillrule » Wed May 28, 2008 10:42 pm

I wouldn't mind drafting a shooter if the team is confident in being able to later pick up a couple big men via FA or trade. Shooting is one of our biggest weaknesses so we definitely need to fill that void somehow. As for as possible picks, Rush looks like a good choice. I saw him play a few times for Kansas and he looked pretty good. He has great size and defense to go along with shooting ability. He would definitely be an improvement over Green and Carney.
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Post#3 » by Fire BK » Wed May 28, 2008 11:17 pm

This headline is slightly misleading, if you read Stefanski's actual quote. He said they need a shooter, a big man, and possibly a point guard.

"We need a shooter, we need a [center or power forward], and maybe down the line we need a point guard, too . . . This draft is deep enough that we think we can get the best player available and pick for a need, too."

"I don't know if we'll get a guy who can step in right away, but we feel comfortable that we'll get a player to add to the team. With all of the young guys that we have, starting [in the rotation] right away may be difficult."


I have a very strong feeling that Andre Miller is going nowhere on draft night, and Stefanski is going to let him play out the string of his contract... This is evident from several comments he's made since stepping in, such as the "staggering cap space" statement and also the "not a priority" comment on resigning Miller. Further, he's praised his play, and he seems perfectly content with Miller running the team for now.

Personally, I'm very intrigued by the idea of shipping Miller for a late lottery pick + change rather than risking letting him walk next July. This would create so many options with 2 picks in the top 16. But I'm going on record saying I predict Miller stays.

Therefore, I really don't expect the Sixers to draft a PG at 16. If Speights, Love and Arthur are gone by 16 (which I suspect they will), I could definitely see Eddie going BPA with a sharpshooting SG.

Eric Gordon would be absolutely perfect for the Sixers. I just love this kid's bulldog game, but he's obviously going top 10. Unlike last year's draft, there's a dearth of quality SGs after Eric Gordon. Most of these guys are slashers than pure, spot-up SGs:

Westbrook, Rush, Batum... Great athletes, but I'm not sold on their 3-point shooting...

In terms of sharpshooters, there's really only Chase BUSTinger (please no) and CDR.... who could be the guy. CDR projects as a better defender than Chase. Also, he's got a sweet stroke and a shooter's mentality, unlike the athletic slasher group mentioned above. But Eddie could easily trade down in the 1st round for CDR...

Overall, I think our best hope at 16 is that TGP's boy slips. #00. Decent pick. But since Speights is going lottery IMO, I'd like to see Eddie trade up.... What do you guys think?
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Post#4 » by roseorbust » Wed May 28, 2008 11:20 pm

If Speights Love and Arthur are all off the board, I'd be absouloutely fine with Budinger.
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Post#5 » by The Sixer Fixer » Wed May 28, 2008 11:39 pm

I find it odd that the article says we are looking for a sharpshooter, but then it proceeds to mention Alexander as one of the main targets for that. Alexander is not at all a "shooter". We need a guy who can stretch the D out to the 3pt line...Alexander took a grand total of 41 3's last year and only shot 27%. That's awful considering the close 3pt line in college. I do like Alexander's overall game a lot, but to classify him as a shooter is just stupid. Hell, Kevin Love shot twice as many 3's as Alexander and hit at 35%. I guess he's a shooter too.

Also funny that they list Douglas-Roberts as a shooter too. Clearly that was not his strength in college.

The 1st rd talent "sharpshooters" in this draft are Mayo, Bayless, Gordon, Budinger, Augustine (stay far away from him), Greene, Rush (personally I hate him) and Chalmers (bigtime sleeper IMO).

I think we must take a big with our pick, unless Ed is confident he has a deal in place to add a PF though FA or trade. If the usual suspects like Speights, Arthur, Love and Jordan are all off the board, then I would take a hard look at Koufas. His stock semed to slip some, but he had a great showing in the NIT tournament in leading Ohio St. to the championship. Was a good sign that he played well in that setting.

As far as the shooters go that might be there at 16, if we go that route, I would take Greene. He has the most talent/upside/versatility IMO. If he learns how to play the game right, he could be a steal that late.
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Post#6 » by BMF Jet Jaguar » Wed May 28, 2008 11:56 pm

what about kyle weaver?(thats the big shooter right?)
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Post#7 » by tk76 » Thu May 29, 2008 12:15 am

If all of the promissing Bigs are gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down a few spots and also pick up a 2nd rounder (like the Carney trade where we moved down 3 spots and got an early 2nd round pick.) You usually can find a pure shooter in the second round.
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Post#8 » by freshie2 » Thu May 29, 2008 1:17 am

The article title is misleading based on the content...Ed states they also need a big man and possibly a PG. Of all their needs, PF/C and PG trump the 'sharp shooter'.
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Post#9 » by psykosacul » Thu May 29, 2008 1:56 am

id like the prospect of picking up a player who is 6'8 or taller who is a "shooter". thats a dynamic this team hasnt had and could be an interesting dynamic to add to the offense because it would allow us to keep our best scorers: thad, iggy, and miller/louis on the floor with the "shooter"
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Post#10 » by i<3basketball » Thu May 29, 2008 2:05 am

psykosacul wrote:id like the prospect of picking up a player who is 6'8 or taller who is a "shooter". thats a dynamic this team hasnt had and could be an interesting dynamic to add to the offense because it would allow us to keep our best scorers: thad, iggy, and miller/louis on the floor with the "shooter"


How about Donte Greene?? He's a few years away from being the stud I think he can become but for now he can play 12-15 minutes a game and put up some points from the outside. He's 6-10 which allows him to be on the court with the smaller players. He needs to bulk up and refine his ballhandling and decision making, but he has great potential to go with his legitimate range on his shot.
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Post#11 » by One of Shemps Kids » Thu May 29, 2008 2:05 am

If they wanted a shooter, why did they get rid of Kyle Korver?
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Post#12 » by SendEm » Thu May 29, 2008 2:28 am

Ed Stephanski has already FAILED at drafting a sharpshooter with the 15th pick in 2005 when he selected Antoine Wright who is a complete BUST.

This would be a VERY stupid move. Drafting a NBA quality shooter straight out of the draft is the hardest thing to do because it takes many years to develop a NBA jumpshot. Many people who were once thought to be NBA quality shooters as prospects never developed the consistency necessary to be a factor.

Like 99.999% of NBA teams acquire sharpshooters through free agency or trades after those players have PROVEN that they can hit shots on the big NBA stage under pressure like Kyle Korver who was once a 2nd round pick and Jason Kapono who was the 31st pick overall. Drafting a sharpshooter high like the 16th pick is a waste because you can ALWAYS acquire a 29 year old free agent or a guy from overseas like Anthony Parker to fill that role. If you are drafting a sharpshooter with the 16 pick it better be a Dirk, Peja, or Hedo who can fall back on other big time skills.

Drafting a sharpshooter at #16 is like a NFL team drafting a return specialist within the first 2 rounds. If he's not a Devin Hester or something close then you've made a HUGE mistake.

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Post#13 » by SendEm » Thu May 29, 2008 2:34 am

i<3basketball wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



How about Donte Greene?? He's a few years away from being the stud I think he can become but for now he can play 12-15 minutes a game and put up some points from the outside. He's 6-10 which allows him to be on the court with the smaller players. He needs to bulk up and refine his ballhandling and decision making, but he has great potential to go with his legitimate range on his shot.


Donta Green is the absolute worst shooter in the draft. I will not be surprised if he falls to the second round.
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Post#14 » by The Sixer Fixer » Thu May 29, 2008 2:55 am

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Donta Green is the absolute worst shooter in the draft. I will not be surprised if he falls to the second round.


With a statement like this, I'm going to guess that you have never seen him play. He's an excellent shooter. Where he stinks is identifying what is a quality shot and what is not (he needs coaching). He makes his shots way more challenging than they need to be. He needs to learn to play more inside, but his 3pt shooting will be a dangerous weapon in the NBA. He's one of those guys who has the same form on his shot regardless of how far he's standing behind the 3pt line. I see him making the transition to the deeper 3pt line way easier than most of the other "shooters" in this draft.
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Post#15 » by BMF Jet Jaguar » Thu May 29, 2008 3:02 am

shan foster?
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Post#16 » by SendEm » Thu May 29, 2008 3:30 am

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With a statement like this, I'm going to guess that you have never seen him play. He's an excellent shooter. Where he stinks is identifying what is a quality shot and what is not (he needs coaching). He makes his shots way more challenging than they need to be. He needs to learn to play more inside, but his 3pt shooting will be a dangerous weapon in the NBA. He's one of those guys who has the same form on his shot regardless of how far he's standing behind the 3pt line. I see him making the transition to the deeper 3pt line way easier than most of the other "shooters" in this draft.


I've seen him play plenty. He simply gets extra credit for being 6'10. I have seen plenty of other terrible outside shooters in college but none have gotten the undue praise that he has received. he couldn't hit the college 3 pointer consistently and it is like 30 feet shorter than the NBA 3 point line. He only shot .418%fg IN COLLEGE!!! WTF!!!!!! .345% from the COLLEGE 3 point line wtf!!!! College 3 point line is only 19.9 feet. The NBA line is 23.9 feet!!! This guy is garbage. You just do not develop a NBA outside shot overnight. he has proven that he is willing to miss a lot of college 3 pointers, but somehow since he's 6'10 people look at him as having the potential of one day being a great shooter. Yeah okay...If you were a terrible shooter in college you will NOT be a great shooter in the NBA within any reasonable amount of seasons. he shot .418% from the field in college. He is complete trash.
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Post#17 » by tk76 » Thu May 29, 2008 3:35 am

BMF Jet Jaguar wrote:shan foster?


http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Sha ... g%22-2896/

Is the fact that he loves Cheesesteaks a sign?

If we can get a 2nd round pick he might be a great NBA ready shooter. He seems to have a Thaddeus type attitude, so would fit well on the team. Draftexpress has him as #42 in trhe draft.

I guess a guy with an eFG% of 67% is not to shabby.
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Post#18 » by The Sixer Fixer » Thu May 29, 2008 4:17 am

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If you were a terrible shooter in college you will NOT be a great shooter in the NBA within any reasonable amount of seasons. he shot .418% from the field in college. He is complete trash.



Good lord - are you really being serious with that statement? I can probably come up with hundreds of people that prove that theory wrong...

Steve Nash shot 43% for his 4 years in college vs. weak competition. He was 40% from 3 pt land in college (34% his senior yr) and now he's probably the best shooting PG over the last 5+ years.

Rip Hamilton shot 39% overall as a Freshman. Yea, he's a pretty good shooter these days.

Brent Barry shot 42% (32% on 3's) as a freshman. 46% shooter in his NBA career.

Kevin Martin shot 34.6% from 3 pt land in 3 years at Western Carolina. Who exactly do they face that forced him to shoot that bad from 3?

Mike Miller shot 34.5% from 3 in 2 years of college. He's a pretty good shooter from 3 these days.

Michael Redd shot 32% from 3 in 3 years of college. 39% for his NBA career. He seems to have become a better shooter.

I could go on and on with many more examples.
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Post#19 » by phiphan » Thu May 29, 2008 4:19 am

Fire BK wrote:This headline is slightly misleading, if you read Stefanski's actual quote. He said they need a shooter, a big man, and possibly a point guard.

"We need a shooter, we need a [center or power forward], and maybe down the line we need a point guard, too . . . This draft is deep enough that we think we can get the best player available and pick for a need, too."

"I don't know if we'll get a guy who can step in right away, but we feel comfortable that we'll get a player to add to the team. With all of the young guys that we have, starting [in the rotation] right away may be difficult."


Man, I can't believe we're trying to read anything into this quote (not saying you are FBK) -- to paraphrase Ed, "we need everything but a small forward (though if a good one falls to us, we'll take him), and the player we pick may or may not start, so we may or may not take a project or a more finished product."
It's really a gem of GM speak :lol:

Rush and CDR will definitely not be good pros.
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Post#20 » by chrice » Thu May 29, 2008 4:20 am

We need somebody to spread the floor for Willie... he can only carry the team for so many seasons you know.
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