Where Does Iggy Rank In The Top 20 Players 25yrs And Under

SendEm · Post #1 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:10 pm

After browsing upon this article titled "Top 25 players under 25" that was written before this past season began, it had Iggy ranked as #7 on the list. I want to see where Sixers fans would now have Iggy ranked after the knowledge of this season and playoffs are officially in the books.

07/18/2007
http://www.411mania.com/sports/nba/5720 ... -25:-#5---#1.htm

25. David Lee
24. Eddy Curry
23. Andris Biedrins
22. Andrew Bogut
21. Ben Gordon
20. Monta Ellis
19. Brandon Roy
18. Tyson Chandler
17. Andrea Bargnani
16. Kevin Martin
15. Al Jefferson
14. Josh Smith
13. Gerald Wallace
12. T.J. Ford
11. Leandro Barbosa
10. Luol Deng
9. Emeka Okafor
8. Chris Paul
7. Andre Igoudala
6. Carmelo Anthony
5.Deron Williams
4.Dwight Howard
3.Chris Bosh
2.Amare Stoudemire
1.Lebron James

Where I think Iggy and the rest are currently ranked . 05/30/2008
Age and growth potential are included

1.Lebron James
2.Dwight Howard
3.Chris Paul
4.Deron Williams
5.Brandon Roy
6.Amare Stoudamire
7.Al Jefferson
8.Andrew Bynum
9.Chris Bosh
10.LaMarcus Aldridge
11.Kevin Martin
12.Carmelo Anthony
13.Al Horford
14.Kevin Durant
15.Rudy Gay
16.Monta Ellis
17.Danny Granger
18.Rodney Stuckey
19.Tyson Chandler
20.Andrew Bogut
21.Gerald Wallace
22.Andre Iguodala
23.Josh Smith
24.Emeka Okafor
25.Luol Deng

Those players ranked 19 and under I personally do not like.

freshie2 · Post #2 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:26 pm

He's probably in the 10-15 range if you include age and growth potential. A lot of young big men really shot up this season, but otherwise, a case can be made for him in that range.

bballin76 · Post #3 » by **bballin76** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:37 pm

I'd put him right around 16 or 17 on your list SendEm. I'd also rank Josh Smith a little bit higher too.

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #4 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:37 pm

Greg Oden would be on that list ahead of Iguodala.

freshie2 · Post #5 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:46 pm

mmh119 · Post #6 » by **mmh119** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:47 pm

SendEm wrote:After browsing upon this article titled "Top 25 players under 25" that was written before this past season began, it had Iggy ranked as #7 on the list. I want to see where Sixers fans would now have Iggy ranked after the knowledge of this season and playoffs are officially in the books.

07/18/2007
http://www.411mania.com/sports/nba/5720 ... -25:-#5---#1.htm

25. David Lee
24. Eddy Curry
23. Andris Biedrins
22. Andrew Bogut
21. Ben Gordon
20. Monta Ellis
19. Brandon Roy
18. Tyson Chandler
17. Andrea Bargnani
16. Kevin Martin
15. Al Jefferson
14. Josh Smith
13. Gerald Wallace
12. T.J. Ford
11. Leandro Barbosa
10. Luol Deng
9. Emeka Okafor
8. Chris Paul
7. Andre Igoudala
6. Carmelo Anthony
5.Deron Williams
4.Dwight Howard
3.Chris Bosh
2.Amare Stoudemire
1.Lebron James

Where I think Iggy and the rest are currently ranked . 05/30/2008
Age and growth potential are included

1.Lebron James
2.Dwight Howard
3.Chris Paul
4.Deron Williams
5.Brandon Roy
6.Amare Stoudamire
7.Al Jefferson
8.Andrew Bynum
9.Chris Bosh
10.LaMarcus Aldridge
11.Kevin Martin
12.Carmelo Anthony
13.Al Horford
14.Kevin Durant
15.Rudy Gay
16.Monta Ellis
17.Danny Granger
18.Rodney Stuckey
19.Tyson Chandler
20.Andrew Bogut
21.Gerald Wallace
22.Andre Iguodala
23.Josh Smith
24.Emeka Okafor
25.Luol Deng

Those players ranked 19 and under I personally do not like.

We get it you don't like Andre Iguodala but is anyone supposed to care? The fact that you have Rodney Stuckey and Gerald Wallace ahead of him shows how clueless you are.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #7 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:49 pm

Greg Oden hasn't played a game in the NBA and had season ending surgery after 1 season of College Basketball. There are serious question marks about Oden that need to be answered next year.

freshie2 · Post #8 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:59 pm

Based on age and growth potential, Oden is definitely top 10 on this list and most likely top 5, when you consider the power of a legit big man.

ankle420breaker · Post #9 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:01 pm

How the hell is Iguodala ranked ahead of Chris Paul? I'd rank Brandon Roy, Paul, Jefferson, and Ellis ahead of Dre.... Possibly Josh Smith as well.

freshie2 · Post #10 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:02 pm

Last year's rankings.

Post #11 » by **tk76** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:14 pm

bballin76 wrote:I'd put him right around 16 or 17 on your list SendEm. I'd also rank Josh Smith a little bit higher too.

Sounds about right. Its hard to balance current skills with upside and the difference between value at different positions (C/PG most valuable.)

Assuming all of these players will be top 45 players in their primes... The 45th top salary next year will be about 13M. I don't think he should get more than 9.2M next year (5yr/57M) it might make for contentious negotiations.

SouthJersey · Post #12 » by **SouthJersey** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:15 pm

Probably about 20. don't know if I agree on Granger or Stuckey yet, but it could be argued some players below AI2 are better. Is this supposed to make us feel good?

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #13 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:34 pm

It's a good list to be ranked 17th or so on.

In regards to Oden, lookout!!! This guy will be a tremendous pro. Portland will be the surprise team next year. They were 41-41 last year, and I predict at least a 51 win season next year.

If they pull off a deal for a veteran PG, like an Andre Miller, they will be pushing Utah for the division title.

SendEm · Post #14 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:34 pm

tk76 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Sounds about right. Its hard to balance current skills with upside and the difference between value at different positions (C/PG most valuable.)

Assuming all of these players will be top 45 players in their primes... The 45th top salary next year will be about 13M. I don't think he should get more than 9.2M next year (5yr/57M) it might make for contentious negotiations.

The top 45 NBA salaries list DOES NOT include 100% of the top 45 NBA players. For the record, being a top 45 player on a rookie contract isn't the only way for a top player to be precluded from the top 45 SALARY list. It shouldn't be our teams responsibility to jack Iggy's value up just because some GM on another team OVERPAID a player that currently isn't worth a pile of fresh steaming dog vomit.
Try another angle to justify overpaying Iggy... :roll:

SendEm · Post #15 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:54 pm

SouthJersey wrote:Probably about 20. don't know if I agree on Granger or Stuckey yet, but it could be argued some players below AI2 are better. Is this supposed to make us feel good?

This is NOT suppose to make you feel good. It's just here to give perspective on what Iggy is and what he isn't. There are plenty of "young" players in the NBA that are better and/or more valuable than Iggy right now and there will be MANY more entering the NBA EVERY SEASON. This list ONLY includes players that are 25 and under currently. When you start adding in the top NBA players that are 26+ Iggy is pushed even further down the list. Iggy is a depreciating asset. Stephanski should sell HIGH. Iggy's value is at its the highest point that it will be for the rest of his career because there is no chance that he will outperform a contract paying him an average of $11.5+ per season, which is the deal that he turned down.

Granger is a shooter/finisher while Iggy is a ball hog fastbreak dunker. Stuckey is a legitimate PG that can score. It's like a game of rock, paper, scissors. It's not hard at all to determine who are the best players when viewing from the perspective of what sorts of players usually contribute greatly to championship winning franchises.

Mik317 · Post #16 » by **Mik317** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:03 pm

way to twist that in your favour........your a joke, man. the fact that Iggy was considered better than Paul before this season means that he is tsill considered really good in most GM's eyes.

You think Iggy sucks, good for you. quiting filling this board up with this crap.

barkley34 · Post #17 » by **barkley34** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:16 pm

I wouldn't trade Iggy for (2) Rodney Stuckey's. Stuckey looks good right now because he is playing with 4 all-stars and getting wide open looks.

Not hating on Stuckey he is a nice player and was a good selection but Iggy>>>>Stuckey. He is also better than Granger.

Thad should also be ahead of Stuckey.

SendEm · Post #18 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:40 pm

barkley34 wrote:I wouldn't trade Iggy for (2) Rodney Stuckey's. Stuckey looks good right now because he is playing with 4 all-stars and getting wide open looks.

Not hating on Stuckey he is a nice player and was a good selection but Iggy>>>>Stuckey. He is also better than Granger.

Thad should also be ahead of Stuckey.

Without including stats please explain to me how Iggy is better than Granger. I beg of you, PLEASE explain this...

With Stuckey I'm not going to argue the virtues of a 6'5" PG over a 6'6" SG/SF. This is a situation where I'm telling you to watch out your life is in danger and you don't believe me and keep continuing to do what you were doing and 6 seconds later you are decapitated. There will be no convincing you that Stuckey is better than Iggy until he averages 22ppg and 12assists all while playing on a team that is just a little bit better than Iggy's team in the W/L column AND clearly has less talent than Iggy's team so that YOU could see that he accomplished it with LESS talent around him. Basically It's your head man not mine buddy, ride the late bus if you so desire... :noway:

Post #19 » by **tk76** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:45 pm

Pre-season
25. David Lee
24. Eddy Curry
23. Andris Biedrins
22. Andrew Bogut
21. Ben Gordon
20. Monta Ellis
19. Brandon Roy
18. Tyson Chandler
17. Andrea Bargnani
16. Kevin Martin
15. Al Jefferson
14. Josh Smith
13. Gerald Wallace
12. T.J. Ford
11. Leandro Barbosa
10. Luol Deng
9. Emeka Okafor
8. Chris Paul
7. Andre Igoudala

Of The names initially after Iguodala, you can argue many players have more value because of there size or position, but I would say only Paul clearly put up better numbers in the regular season.

The other 10 I pput ahead of them are more valuable, but they didn't have clearly better season's rthan AIG.

I know AIG played like turd in the playoffs, but I won't give all of the players who failed to make the playoffs extra credit.

Look Ellis. Sendem's idolotry aside, he put up good numbers on a high scoring team (20/5/3.5/1.5 53%)
I don't see how that is clearly better than AIG's 20/4.5/5.5/2 46%

Roy similarly puts up numbers in the same ballpark: 19/4.5/6/1/45%

I stated before that AIG should be about 16th, but honestly from 8-18 the players are all packed in pretty tightly in terms of talent and potential. You can like one of these players more than another based on their relative strengths and style of play- but they are all in the same ballpark in terms of talent and value.

mmh119 · Post #20 » by **mmh119** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:52 pm

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Without including stats please explain to me how Iggy is better than Granger. I beg of you, PLEASE explain this...

With Stuckey I'm not going to argue the virtues of a 6'5" PG over a 6'6" SG/SF. This is a situation where I'm telling you to watch out your life is in danger and you don't believe me and keep continuing to do what you were doing and 6 seconds later you are decapitated. There will be no convincing you that Stuckey is better than Iggy until he averages 22ppg and 12assists all while playing on a team that is just a little bit better than Iggy's team in the W/L column AND clearly has less talent than Iggy's team so that YOU could see that he accomplished it with LESS talent around him. Basically It's your head man not mine buddy, ride the late bus if you so desire...

Are you serious? What does Rodney Stuckey do that is better then Andre Iguodala? You want him on your team because he is a 6'5 point guard... Who cares he is a very average player he is not even a starting nba guard. Thad Young is a better pro prospect then Rodney Stuckey. You also forget the fact that Andre Iguodala has point forward skills.