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Per DraftExpress: 76ers looking to move into Top 6
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:43 am
by Mahorn at the 4
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Dra ... t-12-2910/
At app. the 25-27 min. mark of this podcast they mention that the 6ers are looking to move into the top 6, with Memphis and NY being potential partners.
The columnists mentions taking on a contract, such as Brian Cardinal or a NYK contract in a deal for the top pick.
Cardinal has app. $6.25 due each of the next 2 years. Perhaps Darko comes back? Kyle Lowry as part of the deal for the future PG?
Cap space, the 16 and Utah's #1 for Lowry, the #5 and a contract? If Mayo was certain to be there that would be great.
Maybe a 3 way with NY where Cardinal goes to NY and Randolph comes to Philly?
This podcast raises some interesting possibilites, we need Sixerfan1976 to get us up to date.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:55 am
by roseorbust
... your way off on the trade.
The suggested trade is awful for the Grizz
Lowry>09 Utah Pick
5>>> 16
Cap space<<<Cardinal
Then again, they did do the gasol deal, but we would probably be giving up something more. I would be fine with any pick above 6, but at 6 the big 5 will be off the board..
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:58 am
by freshie2
The Sixers cap space will create a lot of potential deals that have nothing behind them. While I think you have to be interested in moving up to the top 5-6 range if there is talent available, is that the best way to spend this year's cap space? I don't know that this is a draft where you can't get a player @ 16 with equal 2-3 year potential to the players in the 5-6 range. The solid picks are Rose, Beasley, Mayo, and Lopez (Lopez isn't Ewing or Kareem, but he'll be a solid NBA center). Bayless and Randolph are talented with some considerable question marks. Both are very interesting prospects, and if Randolph can bulk up and improve his shooting, and Bayless turn into more of a PG than SG, then maybe the picks pay off...but is the 2-3 year upside of one of the many players being mentioned @ 16, without spending the cap space on an unproven commodity, not a better deal? If Mayo is there, or Randolph/Bayless pan out big time, then you've made a good move...otherwise, that lost cap space, along with whatever other picks/assets you give up in the deal, sets the franchise back another 5-6 years.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 1:00 am
by freshie2
roseorbust wrote:... your way off on the trade.
The suggested trade is awful for the Grizz
Lowry>09 Utah Pick
5>>> 16
Cap space<<<Cardinal
Then again, they did do the gasol deal, but we would probably be giving up something more. I would be fine with any pick above 6, but at 6 the big 5 will be off the board..
Who are the big 5??
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 1:54 am
by UptownPhilly
I would be satisfied if we swung a deal with Memphis that got us the #5 for cap space, even if it meant taking on Cardinal's contract. We could probably give them Utah's pick and either Carney or Smith instead of the #16 pick.
We draft BPA with the #5, and only on potential with the #16.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:15 am
by blazehound
I'd love me some Eric Gordon.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:28 am
by Fire BK
roseorbust wrote: I would be fine with any pick above 6, but at 6 the big 5 will be off the board..
First of all, there's no "big five" this year. That's just it. That's why MEM & NYK would consider such a deal...
There's a big two. This draft is about the big two and Mayo. I've got Riles trading down with McHale to swap Beasely <
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:41 am
by ProcessDoctor
Why does everyone like Love so much? He would be terrible on this team! I would never consider trading up for him. Is he a perfect fit because he can throw a good outlet pass? Gimme a break people.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:42 am
by The Guilty Party
Well... it looks like another draft night of us being on pins and needles awaiting the "big splash".
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:45 am
by ProcessDoctor
^^^^^^^Hopefully something happens this time. I'm glad nothing happened though. I <3 Thad. But last years draft showed a lot more promise than this years.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 3:12 am
by Fire BK
The Guilty Party wrote:Well... it looks like another draft night of us being on pins and needles awaiting the "big splash".
Exactly.
We'll see if it actually happens in the end... Odds are definitely stacked against the "big splash," and this'll probably end up being a let-down, like usual. I plan on attending the draft this year, so hopefully there'll be some crazy Sixers action. But the fans consensus pick, Speights, is lottery-bound, IMO.
Therefore, if we're stuck at 16, Love/Speights/Arthur are off the board, and no big trade goes down for a top-lottery pick
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 3:14 am
by dbodner
Therefore, if we're stuck at 16, Love/Speights/Arthur are off the board
I think that's going to be very hard to happen, unless one of Bayless/Mayo/Gordon/Gallinari fall. We can probably get some talent at 16. There should be someone unexpected to fall.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 3:59 am
by PhilasFinest
If we can trade up and nab either Gordon or Love id be happy...
im a fan of Kevin Love,i dont care what people say, hes only a freshman and his bball IQ and skills are just too good.hell be a solid player imo. and Gordon could be that go to scorer we lack also.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:14 am
by CPops57
sixers238 wrote:Why does everyone like Love so much? He would be terrible on this team! I would never consider trading up for him. Is he a perfect fit because he can throw a good outlet pass? Gimme a break people.
I'd be interested in an actual explanation of why he'd be bad for the Sixers.
To me it seems like a smart PF with inside & solid mid-range scoring ability, rebounding skills, and yes the ability to throw a quick outlet pass could potentially be a great fit on this team.
PS: Regarding his physical attributes, which is supposed to be the one knock on him....
Kevin Love
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 4:56 am
by PhilasFinest
alot of people dislike him for his lack of athleticism...but for what he lacks in that he makes up for with smarts and skill....something the sixers could use imo.
a young 19-20yr old PF with solid all around skills and a high IQ for the game would do wonders here imo....im ALL for it.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:41 am
by ProcessDoctor
Exactly, he's not athletic at all. He's slow, fat, and will easily get outhustled by every other PF in the league. He's basically a fat, unexplosive Linas Kleiza with better post moves.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:24 am
by Fire BK
dbodner wrote: . . . at 16. There should be someone unexpected to fall.
I sure hope so, dabods... I really do. This would please me very much. Stand pat and let someone fall into our laps.
But I really want a PF out of this draft. That's all I care about. I'm not impressed w/ the PF's on the FA market, especially Elton Brand for the pricetag... I'd make a decent offer to Rony Turiaf. That's about it this year, though.
So I see the draft as our best bet for a future PF. IMO there's only 4 PF's in the top tier:
1. Love
2. Lopez
3. Speights
4. Arthur
in 15 picks ahead of PHI, I would'nt bet one will drop... It could happen... But if it doesn't, you gotta have a backup plan... IMO, the next best PF behind these top 4 is Serge
Ibaka. Definitely most upside. So dear Eddie: I'd definitely approve if you can nab him at 21 and get Marcus Williams out of this draft (while he's expendable)...
Plan A = trade up for a top 3 PF in this draft.
Plan B = wait to see if one drops, and if not, trade down for the next tier of bigs.
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 7:28 am
by ahwi_quacoe
sixers238 wrote:Why does everyone like Love so much? He would be terrible on this team! I would never consider trading up for him. Is he a perfect fit because he can throw a good outlet pass? Gimme a break people.
I have a theory but people won't like it
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:57 am
by ITK9
roseorbust wrote:... your way off on the trade.
The suggested trade is awful for the Grizz
Lowry>09 Utah Pick
5>>> 16
Cap space<<<Cardinal
what???
Posted: Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:08 am
by freshie2
ahwi_quacoe wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I have a theory but people won't like it
He's a skilled PF who was the poster child for UCLA, who advanced far in the playoffs. Downside is he's not long nor overly athletic. If he were 2" taller, I'd be all over him as well...can't deny his ball skills for a 'big man', but his length will hurt in the NBA.
Same issue with Arthur. He's being hyped by some to be 'the PF' @ 16...what has he done? Love is much more skilled, close to as long, and tested out very comparably in the agility drills. To me, neither one is a sure fire prospect, but I think Love is probably the safer pick. Arthur still has years to go to get to Love's skill set and basketball saavy, and he's not long enough nor athletic enough to overcome this deficiency with his length/athleticism.