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If Dumars is sincere about his entire roster outside of Stuckey being available, is it worth taking a real shot at Amir? In his limited playing time, I've been pretty impressed with him. I'm not sure what it would take to pry him from Detroit, but I think he'd be a nice fit here.

The other issue I wanted to address is the weight of the PF's we're entertaining in terms of this year's draft. My personal belief is that this team really does need a PF with some lower and upper body strength. I like Donte Green but I'd much prefer a PF in the 240 lbs range. Having watched Sam Dalembert get pushed around under the rim, I think this team really needs to acquire a 4 with some lower body strength. Author an d Green are both in the 215-220 lbs range. If we're going to go that route, we may as well play Thaddeus at the 4.

STChaser

STChaser wrote:If Dumars is sincere about his entire roster outside of Stuckey being available, is it worth taking a real shot at Amir? In his limited playing time, I've been pretty impressed with him. I'm not sure what it would take to pry him from Detroit, but I think he'd be a nice fit here.

The other issue I wanted to address is the weight of the PF's we're entertaining in terms of this year's draft. My personal belief is that this team really does need a PF with some lower and upper body strength. I like Donte Green but I'd much prefer a PF in the 240 lbs range. Having watched Sam Dalembert get pushed around under the rim, I think this team really needs to acquire a 4 with some lower body strength. Author an d Green are both in the 215-220 lbs range. If we're going to go that route, we may as well play Thaddeus at the 4.

STChaser

Wait, so you want us to go after Amir Johnson, but you also say we need a PF who's in the 240 lb range. You do realize Amir Johnson is a string bean PF, right? I think he's in the 210-215 range. Adding someone like Amir is just like using our pick on a PF this year so I guess I'm struggling to see why he would be a target if size is important to you.

I think he may have been making two separate points.

I agree about the bulk issue. Reggie evans proved that a bruising style of play can be problematic for a lot of teams. Just imagine if that bruiser could score down low.......

I was making two points. I think this team could function well with both an athletic PF in the Josh Smith mold but STILL needs someone who can move people under the rim and who possesses back-to-the-basket moves. I should have been clearer about this. My bad.

STChaser

I say we remove Sammy from the equation....I'd trade him and rethink the frontcourt from scratch. Sure, he's come along, but his limitations make him tough to pair anyone with him. He's forever out of position, and always seems a step behind the play

There's no way you remove an NBA center who can(albeit in certain situations) score the ball and protect the paint. He's like a big man Allen Iverson. What Samuel Dalembert needs is a good general defensive team. Much like AI. If you bulid a defensive team around Dalembert, he won't be prone to the fouls. He had PF Defense from Evans and somewhat from Smith and that allowed for the better year. I hope we continue getting players who can make an impact on the defensive end of the floor.

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:There's no way you remove an NBA center who can(albeit in certain situations) score the ball and protect the paint. He's like a big man Allen Iverson. What Samuel Dalembert needs is a good general defensive team. Much like AI. If you bulid a defensive team around Dalembert, he won't be prone to the fouls. He had PF Defense from Evans and somewhat from Smith and that allowed for the better year. I hope we continue getting players who can make an impact on the defensive end of the floor.

You just can't make some people believe how difficult it is to get a center of quality like Dalembert. They think that Sammy can just be drafted all over again with a late first round pick or placed into YOUR starting lineup by using some other teams bench player that you acquired for a second round pick and Willie Green. You don't trade Sammy THEN rethink your center position...

I think the general problem is Sammy's Fundamental flaws. That's why fans want him out of town. They don't realize that Sammy at his current state can be a GREAT center. If a team were bulit properly. And since we should want to bulid a title contender in the first place. Then there's no reason not to ship Daly out. Unless you get a great offer.

Wow...the brain trust really mobilized on that one! Hahaha....I'm honored.

I don't think any of those things, SendEm....I just don't see the stability that everyone seems to see form Sammy. I see slashers diving to the hole and Sammy being either in the way, or unavailable for the drop off....I STILL see him biting on lame shot and ball fakes years after he should have broke that habit. I see him flailing around under the basket causing havoc...and not the good kind.

Don't get me wrong....the guys not a total waste...I don't hate him. I just think we could trade him if someone wants him and re-think the way the front court is built. He's tough to "build" with because he's unpredictable and doesn't move naturally within the flow of a game. I guess I'm tired of wtching athletes play basketball....I want BASKETBALL PLAYERS. Guys who feel the game and have real basketball instincts.

And Dedicated...you've proven time and again you have no idea what you're talking about...but I do love the "big-man Allen Iverson" comment. A new level of useless rhetoric....bravo

STChaser wrote:I was making two points. I think this team could function well with both an athletic PF in the Josh Smith mold but STILL needs someone who can move people under the rim and who possesses back-to-the-basket moves. I should have been clearer about this. My bad.

STChaser

I understood you meant them as seperate moves, but I still don't get it. We already have Sam, Evans and Smith on the roster who need minutes. So we add a 4th big in Johnson and then we add another PF at 16 in the draft? That's 5 bigs who need time and are all still relatively young. I'm not even counting Booth and I'm assuming guys like Randolph and Amundson are gone next year. I just don't see the need to add 2 more young bigs. There's just not enough playing time to go around for them all.

This is a good point Fixer....I have a feeling the Sixers will be very active this offseason, and we will get blindsided by some moves. I think the roster could look pretty different for next season. Just a gut feeling of course....what do any of us know?

STChaser wrote:If Dumars is sincere about his entire roster outside of Stuckey being available, is it worth taking a real shot at Amir? In his limited playing time, I've been pretty impressed with him. I'm not sure what it would take to pry him from Detroit, but I think he'd be a nice fit here.

STChaser

Hey guys, Detroit fan here. We value Amir Johnson just as much as you guys do Thaddeus Young, maybe even more so. IMHO the only way to perk up Joe D's ears about Johnson is to dangle Young (which Joe prolly wouldn't even do straight up). Maybe a Prince/Johnson for Iguodala/Young kind of thing. I wouldn't guess you guys would be thrilled about that one. I am just trying to express Amir's value to Detroit. He is the most untouchable on the roster this side of Stuckey.

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Hey guys, Detroit fan here. We value Amir Johnson just as much as you guys do Thaddeus Young, maybe even more so. IMHO the only way to perk up Joe D's ears about Johnson is to dangle Young (which Joe prolly wouldn't even do straight up).

Talk about overvaluing your own young talent

I would only jettison Sam if we signed another young defensive center like Okafor or Biedrins in his place.

No way would I even think of moving forward without having a replacement for Sam on the team. You can't win with bad defensive players at both the PF and C position at the same time. teams like NJ have been trying to solve front court problems for years. You can't win at a high level without at least one good defensive PF or C (ideally 2.)

tk76 wrote:I would only jettison Sam if we signed another young defensive center like Okafor or Biedrins in his place.

No way would I even think of moving forward without having a replacement for Sam on the team. You can't win with bad defensive players at both the PF and C position at the same time. teams like NJ have been trying to solve front court problems for years. You can't win at a high level without at least one good defensive PF or C (ideally 2.)

Biendrens, defensive center? Surely you jest, right?

Biedrins is not a bad defensive player. being on a team coached with a non-defensive philosophy doesn't make him a bad defender. he is long, quick, a good rebounder who can block some shots and has good defensive instincts.

Biedrins might be too small to be a full time center, but would do great next to an accomplished more offensive PF/C like Bish, Duncan, a healthy J.O. or Sheed. He can guard PF's and Centers- although like many thin 6'11 athletic bigs, he will be physically overpowered by the likes of Howard, Bynum and Yao- but that is the case for more than 1/2 of what we call "centers" these days- including Sam on most nights.

I don't see Biedrins as every being great, but at 22 he seems to have a good grasp of what he can and cannot do (unlike Sam- who see's himself as a shooter) and would be a good fit on this team in Sam's role, if they could get a scoring PF/C to pair him with.

Biedrins is not a franchise player, but he will be worth 10M/year the next 8-10 years because he can be an imprortant part of a winner- partly because of his rebounding and good defense.

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Hey guys, Detroit fan here. We value Amir Johnson just as much as you guys do Thaddeus Young, maybe even more so. IMHO the only way to perk up Joe D's ears about Johnson is to dangle Young (which Joe prolly wouldn't even do straight up). Maybe a Prince/Johnson for Iguodala/Young kind of thing. I wouldn't guess you guys would be thrilled about that one. I am just trying to express Amir's value to Detroit. He is the most untouchable on the roster this side of Stuckey.

WOW. I realize that Detroit has a deep front court, but the guy averaged 3.6 and 3.8 in 13 minutes. Half of 19 year old Thaddeus Young's rookie year is better then the great Amir Johnson's career.

Biedrins is sort of the defensive version of your man Ellis.

Where Ellis knows how to score efficiently, and knows enough not to hurt his team too badly on defense- Biedrins knows how to be effective on defense (rebounding, hustle, blocks, being in the right place on the floor), he also knows his limits on offense and how to be productive within those limits. he gets himself available for high percentage shots, finishes well and shoots at an incredidibly high percentage by not mistaking himself for a guard or jump shooter.

Knowing when not to shoot is sometimes as important as when to shoot. Ellis proves this by not falling in love with low percentage 3's. Biedrins shows this by not being a Dalamebert- not taking ill advised jumpers or forcing bad drives because he thinks he is a player he clearly is not.

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WOW. I realize that Detroit has a deep front court, but the guy averaged 3.6 and 3.8 in 13 minutes. Half of 19 year old Thaddeus Young's rookie year is better then the great Amir Johnson's career.

Ok, For the record I love Thad. You guys got a STUD there.

Concerning Amir, Let me try to take off my homer goggles. ur correct with the stats and Detroit having a DEEP frontcourt since he's been in Detroit. IMO with him being on a perrennial title contending team, I think that if he gets any mins at all is a testament to how high Joe D is on him. Late second round picks rarely make a team. Let alone last for 2 years, then get a 3 year extension after that. With a title contending team, a 2nd round pick, that was a High schooler no less, will never get minutes. Unless he proves he's worthy. Hell, high schoolers are projects in themselves, let alone a 2nd rounder.

Ok, maybe i looked through the goggles with one eye

The truth is, Dumars said after the season that he is "as high as ever on Stuckey and Amir"....

I really think he sees both of these guys as key rotation players next year.

You're not going to get Amir from Detroit. Dumars thinks very highly of him and no one is likely going to give up enough for Dumars to move him.

I'm not saying he's worth a top 5 pick, I'm not saying he's untouchable, but its just not going to happen.

Also, he is a great shot blocker, ridiculous athlete, and still very very young.