Iguodala Trade Idea

[ecuhus1981]

Hey all, Nets/Mavericks fan here (that's right, an impartial trademaker!).

I was wondering if Sixers fans could get behind an S&T of Iguodala that looked like this:

PHI Outgoing: Iguodala S&T (6 years, $73mil), Evans, Green
PHI Incoming: Gordon, Gooden, Webster, #13

POR Outgoing: LaFrentz, Webster, Jack, #13
POR Incoming: Hinrich, Nocioni

CHI Outgoing: Hinrich, Gordon S&T (5 years, $41mil), Nocioni, Gooden
CHI Incoming: Iguodala, LaFrentz, Evans, Green, Jack

I'm pretty sure I wrote this in a Trades thread, but I cannot find it anywhere. SO, sorry if it's a repost, but I wanted to know what you all thought. Thanks.

[SendEm]

Gordon, Gooden, Webster, #13

Iggy for 3 bench players on non winning teams and a late lottery pick? NO.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

But when that bench player is a sixth man of the year candidate, I think you consider it.

[SendEm]

Dedicated_Sixer_fan that is a VERY overrated point that you made. Gordon finished 5th in the 6th man voting behind Kyle Korver. Do we then, according to your rationale, make this same Iggy trade with Kyle Korver replacing Ben Gordon?

[sec-106]

Pass for PHI.

I have PORT in our Draft and I love it for them.

[tanman636]

were keeping iggy

[ecuhus1981]

Gordon, Gooden, Webster, #13

Iggy for 3 bench players on non winning teams and a late lottery pick? NO.

C'mon, Portland had a better record than you guys, and Chicago was ruined from the start of he season, with so much Kobe speculation.

We all know that the Sixers might've gone to the ECF instead of the Pistons, if it hadn't been for the lack of a consistent and innate shot-creator. Iguodala shied away from those duties, and it seems he'll always fall more into that trap; Gordon has no such reservation. Webster becomes your shooter off the bench as well, and this gives Thaddeus a chance to shine. Not to mention, Gooden is about as good an option as you'll find with your capspace, plus he's an expiring, so you keep next' year's capspace free. Add in, say, DJ Augustin or whoever you want with that #13 pick, and it ain't half bad, IMO.

I know Iguodala is worth a good deal more than Ben Gordon, but how far is it off? Because Gooden, Webster and Augustin for Evans and Green is pretty far off in its own right...

[SendEm]

Gordon is a restricted free agent like Iguodala on a team that traded for a starting SG that has a $80 million dollar contract and a first round pick in Thabo that is a developing SG/SF/PG.
Gordon also had a terrible season and stinks as a starter in the NBA. Who wants Gordon? His trade value is NOTHING. The Sixers do need a shooter but Gordon only shot .434 from the field last season and .432 for his career, clearly not good enough. His 18.6ppg were amassed in a very inefficient manner with no defense and a high turnover ratio in relationship to his assists. No one wants Gordon. And all of those other non quality starters in this trade only make it worse. Why would we trade for Gordon when we could just offer him a contract? Monta Ellis is also on the market. Josh Childress is on the market. No way we trade a quality starting SG/SF for a streaky midget shooting guard that's not good enough to start for a losing team and garbage players and a late lottery pick.

[ecuhus1981]

FG% 3PT% FT%
Iguodala 45.6 32.9 72.1
Gordon 43.4 41.0 90.8

Wow, you're right, SendEm. Ben Gordon shot a horrible 43.4% from the field last year, totally different than Iggy's 45.6% (a whopping 2.2% difference). This also totally disregards the fact that Ben shoots more 3-pointers than Andre, and at a much higher rate. The FT% is the biggest difference in this comparison.

"Why would we trade for Gordon when we could just offer him a contract?"

First of all, you don't have enough capspace to make a competitive offer for Gordon. Secondly, he's an RFA. And if you think Ellis or Childress are going anywhere, you've got another thing coming.

The hidden benefit of this trade is by signing Gordon to a reasonable deal, while moving Green's and Evan's long-term contracts for Gooden's expiring, you create more '09 capspace than you would simply by extending Iguodala. That means you could go after another big-name FA, and fill your '09-'10 roster needs (PG, PF) there. Miller (or Williams), Gordon, Young, BOOZER, Dalembert deserves a second look, eh?

[SendEm]

ecuhus1981 It's already confirmed that Iggy can't shoot the basketball and I'm a card carrying member of that Mr. obvious club. But Gordan by no means becomes a valuable cog in REPLACING Iggy being that Gordon shot a horrendous .475% on his close in field goal attempts which only account for 17% of his field goal attempts while Iggy shoots .690% with 28% of his shots being from this close in range. Another player that is considered a small SG like Gordon is Monta Ellis who shoots .678% on his close in field goals that account for 48% of his total field goal attempts. Iverson another little guy shoots .578% from close in and this accounts for 30% of his total field goal attempts. Tony Parker shoots .640% with 37% . Chris Paul .618%fg on 23%. Barbosa .619 on 31%.

As I have outlined above Gordon is garbage he can't make simple close in shots, and since he knows this they only account for 17% of his shot attempts. If the Sixers just want a 3 point shooter they can sign Roger Mason and have him come off of the bench. Mason made 130 3 points and Gordon made 142.

Again this trade is a major failure and only makes the Sixers worse because none of the players are quality starters like Iggy. They are all players that are respectable on the STAT SHEETS or players with "potential" but no one that's gonna come here and do what Iggy does as a quality starting NBA player ON THE COURT.

Keeping Iggy, our 16th pick, and signing Roger Mason Jr. beats making this trade for unwanted bench players in exchange for our quality starter.

[chrice]

No way! We're not giving up Willie without getting at least Roy and Future 1st back.

[PhilasFinest]

Id rather just Keep Igoudala...but the trade is DEF more than reasonable amd would give us a few options to work with..

Gooden is an expiring,excellent rebounder,has decent scoring ability and would be our starting PF,Gordon would be the shooter/scorer we lack and even tho undersized could start @ the 2 and allow Thad to grow into the SF position,Webster would be a decent option off the bench and can also shoot pretty well and the 13th pick could net us a decent prospect along with the 16th pick...Draft say Speights/Green/McGee and then Batum.
or we could also try and package the 13th and 16th to move higher up in the draft.
and to add to it,we'd move Willie and his contract.

all in all more than a reasonable deal...but id rather stay with Iguodala,i like our core here.

[ecuhus1981]

all in all more than a reasonable deal...but id rather stay with Iguodala,i like our core here.

Fair enough. Thanks, guys.

[tk76]

FG% 3PT% FT%
Iguodala 45.6 32.9 72.1
Gordon 43.4 41.0 90.8

Wow, you're right, SendEm. Ben Gordon shot a horrible 43.4% from the field last year, totally different than Iggy's 45.6% (a whopping 2.2% difference). This also totally disregards the fact that Ben shoots more 3-pointers than Andre, and at a much higher rate. The FT% is the biggest difference in this comparison.

"Why would we trade for Gordon when we could just offer him a contract?"

First of all, you don't have enough capspace to make a competitive offer for Gordon.

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The Sixers have 11M in capspace next year. that means they can sign a FA to a 5yr 67M contract (witrh yearly raises included.)

If Gordon gets anywhere close to that he is being very much overpaid.

The Sixers need a shooter, but Ellis and Gordon are both too small, and less key than adding a big. i would rather not spend all of the teams cap space on an undersized scoring guard. i don't even think Gordon ultimately will be that much better of a player than Lou Williams. Gordon is a better scorer, but Lou passes better. I think Lou is younger, and still has room to grow. I don't see Gordon ever becoming more than a scorer- which he is quite good at.

[jmon]

@ecuhus

Hmm. No thanks. I don't like Webster, Gordon, or Gooden at all really oddly. I see Gordon as the only legit starter from the group and he wouldn't fit with Lou at all. #13 has little worth to me as well. Luol Deng, Rudy Fernandez, or Aldridge are semi-untouchable guys that I would surely demand be included in a deal for Iggy. You are going to have to pay those guys 12+ million per year most likely as well, so I just don't see the point in making a deal unless it blows me away for Iggy.

@tk

Your numbers are off from what I know. The Sixers have to offer 8%, not compounded offers to players that aren't their own. The max would be 5 years 63.8 million from my calculations.

With restricted FAs, I believe you have to keep the average underneath actually(not just the first year), so the max would be 5 years 55 million I believe.

5 years 55 million would be enough to get Gordon, in my opinion, but I have no interest.

[is1531]

Hey all, Nets/Mavericks fan here (that's right, an impartial trademaker!).

I was wondering if Sixers fans could get behind an S&T of Iguodala that looked like this:

PHI Outgoing: Iguodala S&T (6 years, $73mil), Evans, Green
PHI Incoming: Gordon, Gooden, Webster, #13

POR Outgoing: LaFrentz, Webster, Jack, #13
POR Incoming: Hinrich, Nocioni

CHI Outgoing: Hinrich, Gordon S&T (5 years, $41mil), Nocioni, Gooden
CHI Incoming: Iguodala, LaFrentz, Evans, Green, Jack

I'm pretty sure I wrote this in a Trades thread, but I cannot find it anywhere. SO, sorry if it's a repost, but I wanted to know what you all thought. Thanks.

It looks like your a Blazers fan, but chose not to come out and say it. Iggy stays in Philly, unless it is a blowaway deal. A deal would have to include Al Jeffeson for Iggy. Fair is fair.

[psykosacul]

i think this is one of the more reasonable "fantasy" deals ive seen people come up with in a while. all of the teams needs are thought of, and noone gets completely taken, which is rare.

as for our needs, it addresses our 3pt. deficiency with webster and gordon. if we had a post presence like brand as a FA, that would be valuble, but as the team stands now, i dont see those guys getting open looks. ben is valuble because he creates his own shot, but im not a big fan of his inconsistency. he also doesnt fit well with lou will, if we are resigning him. goodens lack of defense is also a detractor from the philly standpoint. losing evans and gaining gooden seriously lowers our frontcourt D.

[freshie2]

I'd prefer the Portland package to what is proposed to come to Philly...don't think that squeezing Frye in there somehow is unrealistic either.