Baron Davis to Philly and Andre Miller to Cleveland

Kman25 · Post #1 » by **Kman25** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:43 pm

Heard on WIP from some NBA Insider with Ike Reese last night that possibly if Baron opts out that the 76ers would sign for him then proceed to trade Andre miller to Cleveland for the 19th pick. Then maybe the 76ers would trade their two picks to move up or 1 or both picks for a player.

Post #2 » by **dbodner** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:46 pm

if Baron opts out that the 76ers would sign for him then proceed to trade Andre miller to Cleveland for the 19th pick.

did this NBA insider realize that you can't sign free agents until AFTER the draft?

Mik317 · Post #3 » by **Mik317** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:05 pm

I enetered this topic going OMGWTFISTS!!!! and then I read the post.

B-Diddy is awesome but would he really come here?

IggyTheBEaST · Post #4 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:58 pm

Id definitely support a baron signing if it didnt break the bank HOWEVER, Lets just say Lwill, Iggy and Daly is similar to Monta Jrich and Beidrins; doesnt that just make us a worse version of the pre brandon wright warriors?

Unless we can swing Andre Miller and the 16th Pick for a LEGIT PF (if they are still doubting livingston, do you think the Clips would consider a Brand s+t for this package?)

Baron
Iggy
Thad
Brand
Daly

:clap:

SendEm · Post #5 » by **SendEm** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:03 pm

Baron Davis is one of the few players in the NBA that would make me want to keep Iggy around. But we will all become sickened by Iggy continuously missing AND passing up wide open 3 point shots as Baron Davis collapses the defense with his penetration. But on the other hand Diddy and Iggy in the open floor would be tremendous. :nod:

I believe Diddy is to make $17 and we have like $11 million under the cap. Will he give up $6 million when potentially he could sign a larger deal next offseason?

is1531 · Post #6 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:10 am

Kman25 wrote:Heard on WIP from some NBA Insider with Ike Reese last night that possibly if Baron opts out that the 76ers would sign for him then proceed to trade Andre miller to Cleveland for the 19th pick. Then maybe the 76ers would trade their two picks to move up or 1 or both picks for a player.

I see all the Warriors games. I have been watching the Warriors for a long time. I still prefer my beloved 76ers over any team.

Baron is a player who loves to hoist up shots. At times he will take some stupid shots. His positives do outweigh his negatives. Has had had major surgery to both of his knees. Baron is a player that likes the ball in his hands a great deal of the time.

The 76ers do need extra draft picks, but if they have a better way to improve the team, I have to listen, but I do not have to buy into the plan.

is1531 · Post #7 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:15 am

is1531 wrote:
Kman25 wrote:Heard on WIP from some NBA Insider with Ike Reese last night that possibly if Baron opts out that the 76ers would sign for him then proceed to trade Andre miller to Cleveland for the 19th pick. Then maybe the 76ers would trade their two picks to move up or 1 or both picks for a player.

I see all the Warriors games. I have been watching the Warriors for a long time. I still prefer my beloved 76ers over any team.

Baron is a player who loves to hoist up shots. At times he will take some stupid shots. His positives do outweigh his negatives. Has had had major surgery to both of his knees. Baron is a player that likes the ball in his hands a great deal of the time.

The 76ers do need extra draft picks, but if they have a better way to improve the team, I have to listen, but I do not have to buy into the plan.

In addition, why would the 76ers trade Andre Miller to the Cavs for the 19th pick, when they could probably get the 13th pick from the Blazers.

51X3RF4N · Post #8 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:42 am

Well, the other thought is this: They sign Baron. they trade Miller for a pick and use the 2 to move up to the top 6. They draft Gordon.

Then they still use Thad at the 4 and go small like GS.

Daly
Thad
Iggy
Gordon
Baron

Bench
Smith
Evans
Carney
Green
LW

Anyone for that?

SendEm · Post #9 » by **SendEm** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:46 am

Hopefully we never have to start Thad at the PF again. Too bad him and Iggy play the same position. Iggy has to go NOW!

sixerswillrule · Post #10 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:29 am

Sounds good except for the fact that we're getting ripped off for Miller. He is worth a lot more than just the 19th pick. But I like the idea of Baron here, he is a very talented all around player.

Sandalf42 · Post #11 » by **Sandalf42** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:34 am

Iggy IMO can make the transition to SG to free up SF for Thad.

As for Baron Davis coming here, very unlikely, and even if it were possible, I'd feel a little wary of getting a guy who likes to hoist up ridiculous shots like Baron. Injuries and age are also more causes for concern.

But he is an all-star. And he may be 29 years old, but if we give him a 3-4 year contract then he would probably last.

I guess I wouldn't mind signing him, but only because then we can trade Andre Miller for SOMETHING good.

CPops57 · Post #12 » by **CPops57** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:42 am

I respect the hell out of Davis's talent, but put me down in the "leaning towards no" column.

When PF is such a pressing need, using limited assets to make a minor upgrade at a position that is already a significant strength seems like a strategically incorrect approach.

Also, given that Miller consistently plays 82 games per year and Davis has only done that only once in recent years, going from Miller to Davis in reality is most likely a downgrade unless that trend is significantly off.

SendEm · Post #13 » by **SendEm** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:05 am

There's no future with Miller at PG. There never has been for any team he played for and there never will be. Baron Davis has many years left in the tank, he can pass as well if not better than Miller in addition to having a 3 point shot and steals. Baron has played 82 games 4 out of 9 years with last year being one of them. Baron's game translates to the playoffs because he can stretch the defense, get in the lane whenever he wants, start a fast break with the pure speed of his dribble and not just a football pass like Miller, and post up smaller guards. Baron is far superior to Miller. Miller being present for all 82 games will never be good enough because in the playoffs his game becomes a liability that smart coaches game plan and exploit. Miller being a liability in the playoffs is GUARANTEED. Baron Davis NOT being healthy for the playoffs is not a guarantee. B Diddy all the way. :clap:

Post #14 » by **tk76** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:18 am

I don't think the numbers work in the scenario to get both Brand and Baron- unless somehow we give away enough picks to cajole the Clips to take back Green and Evans. Also, who does Cleveland send back- Gooden or Varejo? Cleveland would have to send 10M of contracts back since they are over the cap.

If we could somehow get:

Baron-AIG-Young-Brand-Sam bench: Lou-Carney-Smith the WOW.

That would be anearly Celtic-esque off-season. We would immediately have a 3 year window as the deepest talented team in the East. I don't care if we only get 55 regular season games from Baron becuse I'm fine with Lou running the show for stretches. Especially with that much talent around. Just make sure Baron and Brand are healthy and rested for the Playoffs.

Baron=Billups>Rondo
AIG=RIP=Allan (some might differ with this :roll:

)
Young<Prince<Peirce
Brand>Sheed<KG
Sam>Mcdyss=Perkins
......
Lou=Stuckey>E.T./House
Smith<<Maxiel>Powe
Carney=Aflalo=Posey
Booth<<<Ratliff>>>Scalabrine :rofl:

----->>Enough daydreaming.
Back to reality, it ain't ahappening.

SendEm · Post #15 » by **SendEm** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:56 am

tk76 wrote:I don't think the numbers work in the scenario to get both Brand and Baron- unless somehow we give away enough picks to cajole the Clips to take back Green and Evans. Also, who does Cleveland send back- Gooden or Varejo? Cleveland would have to send 10M of contracts back since they are over the cap.

If we could somehow get:

Baron-AIG-Young-Brand-Sam bench: Lou-Carney-Smith the WOW.

That would be anearly Celtic-esque off-season. We would immediately have a 3 year window as the deepest talented team in the East. I don't care if we only get 55 regular season games from Baron becuse I'm fine with Lou running the show for stretches. Especially with that much talent around. Just make sure Baron and Brand are healthy and rested for the Playoffs.

Baron=Billups>Rondo
AIG=RIP=Allan (some might differ with this )
Young<Prince<Peirce
Brand>Sheed<KG
Sam>Mcdyss=Perkins
......
Lou=Stuckey>E.T./House
Smith<<Maxiel>Powe
Carney=Aflalo=Posey
Booth<<<Ratliff>>>Scalabrine

----->>Enough daydreaming.
Back to reality, it ain't ahappening.

tk76 you are better than that. Carney is equal to 2 time NBA champion 3 point sharp shooting all world defender James Posey? :lol:

Dalembert is better than Perkins? I don't think that you are giving Perkins enough credit for his basketball IQ and you are overvaluing Dalembert for his stats. Perkins is a far better basketball player than Dalembert, although Perkins isn't the ideal Center, nor is Dalembert for that matter. Perkins is a better role player than Dalembert while Dalembert is still perfecting his role. Perkins catches everything thrown to him and he can read the defense & get in the right spots for the pass. Perkins is a natural well rounded NBA player while Dalembert is a guy that picked up the game at age 13. Perkins averaged 1 assist in 24 minutes for Boston during the regular season on .615%FG, Dalembert only averaged .5 assists in 34 minutes on .513% shooting. Dalembert is a much better shot blocker but Perkins is a superior defender, he will rotate, take charges and close out like the championship pro that he is.

Iguodala is not equal to Rip and Ray Allen. Iguodala has no outside shot and he's a poor penetrator which means that his 20ppg is a direct result from jacking up a bunch of midrange shots at a poor percentage that he no longer will be taking with more talented players on the team. Iggy will become a 15ppg player overnight with the addition of Brand and Baron.

Baron>Billups>Rondo
AIG<RIP=Allan
Young<Prince<Peirce
Brand>Sheed<KG
Sam>Mcdyss<Perkins
......
Lou<Stuckey=E.T./House Stuckey will be MUCH MUCH better in 2008/2009
Smith<<Maxiel=Powe
Carney>Aflalo<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Posey
Booth :noway:

Ratliff

Scalabrine :noway:

tanman636 · Post #16 » by **tanman636** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:15 am

haha. sendem is a funny guy. but unfortunately he will go on my block list cause i think iggy is a great player...

anyway im fine with andre miller. we shouldnt waste like all our money on another PG

Post #17 » by **tk76** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:19 am

Sendem- I can see where you are coming from, but I think the big three effect has people way over-rating the other Celtics.

If Lou/Sam replaced Rondo/Perkins the C's would have won the championship with ease (no 7 games against Atl.

A year with the Big three and people would be calling for Sam to be 1st team all NBA and Lou would be on the fast track to star status.

Playing next to KG would make Sam like like Ben Wallace with a better offense (can you imagine Sam getting to cover the worse froncourt player and being free to get weak side shotblocks?)

Put Lou next to Allen and Pierce and his penetration gives him 10+ apg, and his lack of true pg skills is totally hidden by the excellent court IQ of his teammates. Lou would have wide open driving lanes and there would be zero help for his defender since he could kick the ball the Allan or Pierce for jumpers, and KG or Sam for opps. It would be sick.

Now put Rondo and Perkins on the Sixers in place of Sam and Lou.

Rondo would be a bench player who would be forced to shoot and create for himself. He would be O.K., but his weaknesses exposed. He would be passing to starters consisting of Iguodala, Willie Green, Evans and Perkins. Not the same as having Pierce, Allan and KG drawing all of the defense and leaving you free and open all day.

Perkins in place of Sam would be useless. Perkins would be a decent complement to Thad, but useless next to Evans. He would have to deal with the #1 post defender instead of being constantly left open like he was on the Celtics.

51X3RF4N · Post #18 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:50 am

I'm not very confident in this guy's "insider" NBA info. Lol. It kind of refutes the reports that the Cavs not only want to keep thier pick and draft a guy like Rush, but also want to trade for MORE picks.

Although I really don't know what they can offer to get more picks....lol.

But, for the sake of entertaining the idea....I will play out a scenario..

We can't sign Davis till after the draft, right?

So we trade Miller and Utah's first next year to Clev for Varejao and the 19th pick. That may be fair, may not. But it would work I think for both teams.

They do this at the beginning of the draft.

Now, logical thinking is they want Iggy at the 2. And Thad at the 3. And Daly at the 5. And Davis at the 1. So the 4 is the only area of need. They have a small window of opportunity to win it with Daly and Davis. I say this because of obvious reasons with Baron, and because IMO Daly is not going to last more than 4 more years in this league.

So, with 2 mid-first round picks, Reggie Evans, Willie Green, Carney, and Smith basically available for trade, you'd think they would want a top tier 4.

Let's say they like a guy other than Brand. Maybe Boozer. Not necessarily top tier, but nontheless he was successful in the West and he is a scoring PF. Ok, so Green, Evans, 16th and 19th picks for Boozer and 23rd pick, along with future considerations.

That means Utah gets 2 picks ahead of the current one as a benefit for losing Boozer and taking on two other guys with not so great contracts. Not a bad deal I think.

We get Boozer and still get a pick.

Then we sign Davis when we can.

With the 23rd pick we reach and take CDR from Memphis. He is 6'7, a junior, can shoot well, and can score. And he's a SG who can defend taller guys at least a little better than WG. BTW, this kid shot 41% from 3pt land while his team went to the final game, in which he put up 22 pts. And they only lost 2 times. That is not bad.

Lineup:

C-Daly/Smith
PF-Boozer/Varejao
SF-Thad/Carney
SG-Iggy/CDR
PG-Baron/LW

Definitely improve our starters. And improve our bench as well.

Boozer>Evans
Smith>Booth
Varejao<Evans(off bench)
Thad(at 3)>Thad(at 4)
Iggy(at 2)>WG
CDR>nobody
Baron=Miller

I like it. Anyone else on board??

Post #19 » by **tk76** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:53 am

How to we get Boozer for a sack of crap and a handful of late 1st round picks?

SendEm · Post #20 » by **SendEm** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:00 am

You know why you can erroneously believe that Lou Williams is better than Rondo? It's because you aren't giving credit to Rondo's defense. I'm not going to argue too much about their offensive abilities just due to the huge difference in their defensive abilities. Rondo is such a much better defender that's it's not that close of a comparison at all. Also there is no way that the Celtics run their offense through Lou's penetration allowing him to get 10 assists per game. Lou doesn't have the court vision to get 10 assists per game. And Paul Peirce is better at doing what Lou Williams does than Lou himself. Paul Peirce can get 40 points just by playing one on one behind the 3 point line with players ready to catch a simple dish. I mean we are talking about a guy that didn't get 10 assists all season long, but he would go to Boston and average that amount? :lol:

tk you are a bit of a homer.