What position SHOULD Iggy be at?

psykosacul · Post #1 » by **psykosacul** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:02 pm

If we had the correct personel around iggy what position do you think he should play? im not asking about this sixers team, just iggy in general. If we had the right players at each position around him, where do you think he should ideally play to maximize the positive contributions he can have?

Since he came in the league i believed he should be groomed as a shooting guard because of his passing ability, feel for the game and size. In theoryId much rather have a tall, strong shooting guard than a shortish small forward due to the effects on rebounding and defense. His shot has not come around as much as i would have liked, but he still has some time and im hoping he becomes a legit threat from the 20-24 foot range.

because he is a bit of a tweener its also possible that some people would feel we should sign and trade iguodala instead of making him the focal point of our team, so i put that as an option too.

sec-106 · Post #2 » by **sec-106** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:53 pm

Much rather see him at SG and Thad at SF.

ITK9 · Post #3 » by **ITK9** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:43 pm

i hate to see Thad on the bench but Iggy is a sf and he playes at his full potential as a sf.

Post #4 » by **tk76** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:00 pm

A tweener is a player who doesn't have a position they can fill without having to compensate for some major issue with size or skill set. For example, Lou is a tweener at this point because he lacks true pg skill or SG size.

Iguodala is a versitile player who can play both SG and SF at a high level. Like most players he has weaknesses in his game- but overall he can score, pass, dribble and defend well enough to play both positions.

Iguodala is still developing as a jump shooter- and that impacts how great of a player he can become, but he is a good enough scorer to play either SG and SF, and his jumper is steadily improving. His first 2 seasons he only shot wide open jumpers. Last year he was able to create jump shots from 17-24ft, and hit them at a respectable clip (which hopefully will continue to improve.)

Upgrade the talent around Iguodala so that he gets more uncontested jumpers, and he will shoot a decent percentage from outside- and it should only get better as his career progresses.

I honestly don't see a big difference between SG and SF. he is a swing man, and teams up well with another swing man who has a better jumper ans plays well off the ball.

I think of it like RJ and VC for the Nets. they are an effective tandem, and I have no clu who is the SG and who is the SF. They just guard who ever is the bas individual match-up.

I hope Thad and Iguodala complement each other. Thad does play well off the ball, and is developing a jumper. Unlike most people, I am more worried about Thad's handle at SF than any issue Iguodala might have at either SG or SF. Iguodala is not a superstar, but he pairs up well with jsut about any other SG or SF in the League.

jmon · Post #5 » by **jmon** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:04 pm

Obviously SF. I am not sure people read the question... SGs are supposed to be able to do something crazy and know how to shoot...

CPops57 · Post #6 » by **CPops57** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:50 pm

In my opinion he's big and skilled enough to play both positions at a high level, though Thad's presence on the roster makes the choice of making him the SG easy. Iguodala is obviously not an elite shooter, but he is an adequate one. He also compensates for not being an elite shooter by being an above-average rebounder, defender, passer, etc.

I believe that the main problem isn't with Iggy: it is with the overall team. Until the Sixers get a legit PF, the offense is at a disadvantage on every single possession.

SendEm · Post #7 » by **SendEm** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:19 pm

Iggy is just a SF with a superior open court game and speed. However he lacks foot quickness, strength, and a tad bit of height/standing reach and toughness for that position. He can defend the shooting guard/Sf positions but his offense is nothing like a SG in the half court. He doesn't shoot the ball well enough or penetrate well enough. The only time Sixers fans are fooled into believing Iggy is a SG is when he is using his speed in the open floor or having the Sixers call clear out isolation plays for him in the middle of the floor in the half court offense. In the half court he doesn't have the ability to beat his man off of the dribble then maneuver through traffic, even Willie Green has this ability. Also his shooting is terrible whether he's catching passes off of screens like Reggie Miller or if he's pulling up off of the dribble like Iverson.
He does a good job of creating offense for teammates in the half court because he has above average court vision, but this skill is a product of him not being able to beat the second wave of defenders with a move so he hits the open teammate with a simple pass when that second wave of defenders close out. In the playoffs this sort of thing is shut down because the initial moves he utilizes to beat the first defender are not good enough. An example of what I'm talking about is when Iggy penetrates and throws Dalembert an one hand alley oop pass off of the dribble.

corwin · Post #8 » by **corwin** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:12 am

His skill set screams SF to me. Can't take his man off the dribble & he's not a good shooter. Defensively, he can play either position but I believe his defense suffered last season because he had too much offensive responsibility. I could see him swinging between both positions this season with Thad swinging between SF & PF. Ultimately, one will have to be traded unless he can miraculously develop some sort of SG skill set. I think it will be Iguodala.

Post #9 » by **dbodner** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:14 am

I don't think it matters what position he plays. What do I think matters is who he plays next to. Ideally he's next to a good set shooter, whether that's a 2 like Michael Redd or a 3 like Rashard Lewis, it doesn't matter.

Samson · Post #10 » by **Samson** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:48 am

After Andre Iguodala spends the entire night drinking, he DOESN'T THROW UP, HE THROWS DOWN!

Just so you know though

psykosacul · Post #11 » by **psykosacul** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:37 am

SendEm wrote:Iggy is just a SF with a superior open court game and speed. However he lacks foot quickness, strength, and a tad bit of height/standing reach and toughness for that position. He can defend the shooting guard/Sf positions but his offense is nothing like a SG in the half court. He doesn't shoot the ball well enough or penetrate well enough. The only time Sixers fans are fooled into believing Iggy is a SG is when he is using his speed in the open floor or having the Sixers call clear out isolation plays for him in the middle of the floor in the half court offense. In the half court he doesn't have the ability to beat his man off of the dribble then maneuver through traffic, even Willie Green has this ability. Also his shooting is terrible whether he's catching passes off of screens like Reggie Miller or if he's pulling up off of the dribble like Iverson.
He does a good job of creating offense for teammates in the half court because he has above average court vision, but this skill is a product of him not being able to beat the second wave of defenders with a move so he hits the open teammate with a simple pass when that second wave of defenders close out. In the playoffs this sort of thing is shut down because the initial moves he utilizes to beat the first defender are not good enough. An example of what I'm talking about is when Iggy penetrates and throws Dalembert an one hand alley oop pass off of the dribble.

i agree with this post, but my desire has always been to see iggy grow enough skill wise to play the majority of his minutes at SG. his foot speed isnt wonderful, but i think he is quick enough to guard the large majority of sgs in the league, and i believe he has grown in both his ability and willingness to get his own shot. (though clearly he needs to grow a bit more in that area)

as a SF i just hate that he is a tad shorter than most and significantly shorter than the taller ones. i think when he matches up against other SF, his size also hurts his scoring a bit because he is going against a guy who is bigger/longer than he is.

psykosacul · Post #12 » by **psykosacul** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:41 am

dbodner wrote:I don't think it matters what position he plays. What do I think matters is who he plays next to. Ideally he's next to a good set shooter, whether that's a 2 like Michael Redd or a 3 like Rashard Lewis, it doesn't matter.

i partially agree though if he is playing sg i think its important to have a pg who can hit the three also. that way we dont lose rebounding/post play by moving the sf out to the 3pt. line.

sixerswillrule · Post #13 » by **sixerswillrule** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:09 am

I have no problem with Iguodala at SG. In fact, I probably prefer him there. Sure, his outside shooting is not spectacular, but we can all agree that it has improved a lot. And it will probably improve even some more. But with the current roster, that part of our offense isn't affected either way, whether he is at SG or SF. Defensively he is clearly better suited at SG, as he can use his size and strength there to his advantage. It would help if he were surrounded by better outside shooters. Andre Miller is great but that is not one of his abilities. That Baron Davis rumor sounds good, but it won't be happening. Hopefully Thad can soon develop a reliable outside shot, but we cannot expect that to happen so quickly. So we should get a backup 2/3 with great outside shooting (Mike Miller?

).

Post #14 » by **tk76** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:39 am

Ed might try to answer that issue by going after a PF who is a great shooter.

Tom Moore today said Ed was highest on Koufos. Also makes you wonder about drafting Greene or signing Jamison.

SendEm · Post #15 » by **SendEm** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:18 am

I don't think that you answer having a SG that is a below average shooter and penetrator by adding a PF that is potentially a great outside shooter. First and foremost you don't normally win by having a PF that lives off of the perimeter shot. You want your frontcourt players taking the high percentage shots that at the end of the day result in a .500% FG for that player. If Iguodala were a great driver or midpost player then adding that outside shooting PF would be great. But if we get an outside shooting PF how does that add to the team chemistry? I can understand how an outside shooting PF would complement Thad at the SF position but not Iggy at the SG whose strength is open court basketball.

Iggy's strength is not halfcourt basketball. There is not a single halfcourt player in the entire NBA that would make Iguodala a better player. You can't add a single NBA player to the Sixers that will lead to Iggy increasing his production. Iggy played the greatest role he could ever play as far as production goes in the halfcourt this past season. Iggy is Lamar Odom. This past season for Iggy was like the single season Odom had in Miami. If Iggy isn't being a ball hog with a greenlight say bye bye 20ppg. Iggy is no Monta Ellis that can play with 2 other 20ppg players and still get his numbers on shooting over 50%. It's either Iggy gets the greenlight and have the offense ran through him for his 20ppg or say hello to a 15ppg player.

CPops57 · Post #16 » by **CPops57** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:56 am

There is not a single halfcourt player in the entire NBA that would make Iguodala a better player.

So if you added an Elton Brand or somebody equivalent to this lineup, the defensive attention he'd attract wouldn't open up things more for everybody and allow guys like Iggy to likely have a better ast/to ratio, FG%, etc?

Iggy is no Monta Ellis

True, but very few players are that good.

Iggy isn't Monta Ellis, but he's still a very useful player.

say hello to a 15ppg player.

As long as he's scoring his points efficiently and helping the team with passing and defense, does it really matter if he's averaging 15 ppg or 20 ppg or 17 ppg or some other arbitrary number?

Samson · Post #17 » by **Samson** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:30 am

Andre Iguodala has no "CTRL" button on hi computer....

Andre Iguodals IS ALWAYS IN CONTROL!!!

G/F no problem

SendEm · Post #18 » by **SendEm** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:09 am

I believe that Sixers fans have a warped perception of what Elton Brand is. Whom has Elton Brand ever made a better NBA player? He's not a selfish player or anything like that but he's just Elton Brand a 20 10 and 2 block guy. That's it. If you are in love with numbers then he is ELTON BRAND! If you appreciate high level team basketball and wins then he is just Elton Brand...In reality the trend is for players to perform better when Elton is not around. Iggy is a less talented version of Corey Maggette, meaning that he would be lucky to produce the same impact on the court that Corey gives on a nightly basis alongside Elton.

76erinSJ · Post #19 » by **76erinSJ** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:09 am

Not one Gm would take Maggette over Dala. If you cant see the impact that Dala has in a game compared to the impact Maggette has then you do not know basketball. All you do is look at stats. You only know fantasy basketball.

Every piece of furniture in Dala's house is a toatal gym. Oh wait thats Chuck Norris house. Every peice of furniture in Dala's house is a toilet with Sendems picture covering the hole in the seat so that everytime Dala sits down Sendem is kissing Dala's ass.

freshie2 · Post #20 » by **freshie2** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:05 am

Ellis is a fantastic little scorer playing in a high scoring offense that spreads the floor and maximizes his ability to get to the rim, where he scores at a high level. Has a long way to go in developing a 3pt shot, and defending at a high level, but in that offense he is extremely effective.

That being said, Nellie's 'scheme' has never lead to a championship, and there has not been an undersized SG that was the main piece of a championship team. You would have to surround Ellis and Iguodala with a similar level of talent to get a championship caliber.

I'm onboard with Ellis as a target, IF he can come in and play the point. Otherwise, he's not getting the Sixers any closer to where they want to be than any other player.

In a perfect world: