What If Iggy Had Actually Signed The Contract?

[SendEm]

Knowing what you know about Iggy's 2007-2008 regular season and playoffs compared to how you felt about Iggy's 2006-2007 season and his future potential, do you feel that Iggy's upside is as great now as you did after he finished out that 2006-2007 season? If Iggy had actually signed that $57 million contract last fall, how would you feel about it now knowing that Kevin Martin signed a $55 million dollar contract and had the sort of season that he produced?

[Mik317]

Your the only one who gives a ****.....

[The Guilty Party]

He's most likely going to get the $57MIL he was offered last year if not a little more. Regardless of what your thoughts are and your agenda is with this thread, I will say that I think $57M is too much for him unless it's a 6 year deal.

[sixers hoops]

He's most likely going to get the $57MIL he was offered last year if not a little more. Regardless of what your thoughts are and your agenda is with this thread, I will say that I think $57M is too much for him unless it's a 6 year deal.

I wouldn't increase my offer to Iggy. I would be satisfied going into next summer with him as an unrestricted free-agent, and consider facilitating a sign-and-trade. It would set us back a little bit, but overpaying players like that is not the direction I want to go.

I like Iggy at 9 million, but him wanting 12 million is too much. He doesn't have the skills offensively to be a go-to stud, so I wouldn't go any higher than the previous offer. We already have Sammy in the 10 million-dollar range. If you are trying to build a Pistons style team with 5 starters of similar quality, they can't all make 12 million bucks.

It is similar to the Cavs signing of Larry Hughes. He is a nice player, but you give a guy like that 12 million and you are calling every team in the league to take him off your hands.

[SendEm]

but you give a guy like that 12 million and you are calling every team in the league to take him off your hands.

You know why most people can't understand that, it's because no one has ever released any kind of report that links the relationship between a player's salary and his production/performance on a winning team. It would be an interesting study to see just how successful a player's team is that makes the 2008 equivalent of $10-13 million. I would love to see the names on the list that have become successes as well as the failures.

[arjwdotcom]

Dag Sendem; this is like the tird post I've seen in the past days that you've started that had me thinking in a good way. Seriously, you get props for some intelligent questions.

If he signed it last year, the Sixers might not be as happy with him, and at the same time would feel and look comfortable in terms of team makeup. I think part of his reason for not taking the extension was Mo Cheeks. He's been with a number of coaches and wanted to see how the season played out on that end. Given his progression this year, I don't think its bad to offer him nearly the same amount (57-59mil); but I do think that any contract will have a few niggles like a player option after 3 or 4 seasons, and def a team option in that last year. For some reason, I am not sold on both sides being yet comfy with AI2 being here a very long time.

[sixers hoops]

Screamin A, who I thinks is completely unreliable, said yesterday on sirius that the sixers could have signed Iggy for 5 years, 65 million but they didn't so now they are going to have to give him 5 years, between 70 and 80 million.

The host said, "do you think the sixers will pay that?" and Smith said, "They're going to have to."

WRONG. They don't have to give him anything and if they do go beyond 5 years, 60 million--there fault.

[SendEm]

Obviously Smith has some sort of relationship with Iggy because I have heard him during the regular season talk about that same $70-80 as well as a "Give that man his money!"

[ckchen]

Knowing what you know about Iggy's 2007-2008 regular season and playoffs compared to how you felt about Iggy's 2006-2007 season and his future potential, do you feel that Iggy's upside is as great now as you did after he finished out that 2006-2007 season? If Iggy had actually signed that $57 million contract last fall, how would you feel about it now knowing that Kevin Martin signed a $55 million dollar contract and had the sort of season that he produced?

I don't really get it - I know you have a hard on for Kevin Martin - but his production wasn't significantly better than Iguodala's. Better 3P%, Better ft%, More Pts. But less Rbs, Assts, Stls, and Blks.

Iguodala is clearly a better defender, and frankly, he's just build more solidly - which points to the evidence that he actually played every single game while Kevin Martin sat out over 20 because his skinny frame makes him more prone to injury.

I wouldn't feel anything - if he had signed that deal, the numbers totally justify it - and the fact that he didn't have the greatest playoffs, to me, is pretty meaningless - he doesn't really have a lot of playoff experience frankly, and he's only 24 (a year younger than Martin).

And since you're so into whether or not a player wins games or delivers "CHIPs" as you like you to say, it's probably important to point out that Kevin Martin hasn't really done either for his Kings team either. They weren't even in the playoffs, which at least Iguodala can say he was able to get his team to the playoffs. And an arguably less talented team, btw when you consider that the Kings have Artest, Brad Miller, and some decent bench players in udrih, Salmons and Garcia.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

By virtue of stats, Iguodala is "worth his contract". By virtue of his on-the-court production, I actually want to trade him. He's nothing more then a role player.

[SendEm]

Kevin Martin and Iggy play two completely different roles for their teams while both being perimeter 6'6" types. Iggy is a #1 option while Kevin Martin is one of the more important scorers in their SYSTEM. Knowing what I know about basketball, if Kevin and Iggy switched teams Kevin's scoring and assists would rise while Iggy would go back to being the same player he was when Iverson was here. Basketball is not football where the 2nd receiver on a team with TO or Moss is going to AUTOMATICALLY have a great season OR a receiver on a team with only 1 receiver is going to have a below par year because he is the ONLY threat. In basketball if you have some talent and your team makes you the go-to player in the regular season, YOU WILL put up HUGE numbers. PERIOD. If you aren't the go-to guy for your team and you STILL put up huge numbers then you have some SERIOUS talent. This is also supported by the types of plays a player makes. Kevin Martin can score 40 points by playing off of the ball or on the ball. Iggy is only going to produce by playing ON THE BALL, hence his larger assist total. Kevin has more skills. He would probably average 26+ppg 4rebounds and 4assist for the Sixers.

[SendEm]

By virtue of stats, Iguodala is "worth his contract". By virtue of his on-the-court production, I actually want to trade him. He's nothing more then a role player.

I hope Stefanski has the testicular fortitude to make that kind of move. Signing Iggy to the sort of money being reported has a larger chance of setting us back for years than just releasing him. We should replace Iggy with a stop gap player then use the money further down the line to sign a LEGIT ELITE SG which are always available. Iggy is not a shooting guard and people generally believe that Thad will be a better player at SF than Iggy. So? get rid of this guy and avoid the mistake.

[ChuckS]

This is such a unique topic, that I need to do some serious thinking about the merits of Andre Iguodala before I venture a guess as to his dollar worth.

On a more general note, however, I have always thought it simplistic to evaluate a player primarily based on the quality of the team on which he plays. I've seen, for example, Allen Iverson play on a squad that won 22 and 33 games and, even later in his career, on some that did not make the playoffs. I think he is an excellent talent and one of the greatest scorers I've seen, and was surprised when combined with another superstar and some good bigs he did not make it out of the first round.

One can certainly hypothesize that he may have needed a point guard, or other missing piece, in these years, but that merely means, to me, that we are again overlooking the fact that it is a team game. That is sometimes forgotten in this "players'" league.

Of course I realize that in some cases one could legitimately attribute team failure to the star. Unfortunately it is difficult to be certain because the determination is oftentimes based on whether the critic personally likes or dislikes that particular player. That is why I prefer to leave the decision to some more learned and objective than even the most avid layperson...like a GM, or me , for example.

I've heard that it is easier to look good on a bad team, score with no other scorers, rebound with no other rebounders, etc. But I think we have all seen how even the greatest player, can be shut down, or at least minimized, in critical times of a game or series, mostly because he is surrounded by teammates who can be selectively ignored. I think in all my years watching, I've only seen one player, Rick Barry, almost "single-handedly" defeat (what I thought was) a superior team for a championship. (Some here would not have liked him. He was supposedly a "team cancer".) Detroit beat a (I think) superior LA team, but I attribute that to brilliant coaching and underestimating the importance of great team play. Michael might have been able to do it, but I cannot ignore the importance of guys like Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, for example, as well as another great coach.

I guess what I am saying, in too many words, is that the subject of AI's worth caught me so unprepared that I have to consider how much his possible fallibilities were attributable to an otherwise lack of interior or perimeter threats...and whether his very good numbers were really what so many here like to call "fool's gold".

[Mik317]

Who are these LEGIT ELITE SG's on the market? I mean the way you make it sound is that eveyrwhere you look there is a guy who can drop 40 on people everynight. Let me guess, Roger Mason Jr. aka The answer to everything.

Look for all of his issues, Iggy is a solid player. To call him a role player is kinda selling him short but whatever that's your opinion. The problem with the way some of you think is that you expect everyone to be a borderline all-star ( funfact: Iggy was that last year) or a canidate for the hall......when in reality that's just stupid to expect that.....

Iggy isn't teh best player eva......but he is a quentacential piece to a team. He playes defense ( OMG HE CAN'T STOP LEBRON!! join the club), he stil hasn't reahced his peak yet ( 24 years old? psss.....social security anyone?) and outside of his bitchin he's a good kid........who the **** cares if he gets paid 2 WHOLE more millions than Kevin Martin ( has his team won lately?) get over taht **** and worry about stuff that matters.such as Calvin Booth killin Kittens, or Willie Green sucking.......

[IggyTheBEaST]

Iggy is a better overall player than kevin martin

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Kevin Martin can shoot the 3 and penertrate. Iguodala can't do either. Kevin Martin can cut off screens, I've yet to see Iguodala actually score off the ball.

A combination of Offense and Defense wins championships, Iguodala's a solid defender but a below average offensive player. Many of those in this years's draft as well as FA. Let him walk.

[Mik317]

Below average offensive players don't avr 20 points.......Is he great, f no...below average is pushing it.

By gawd last year was is first FULL year as TEH man and he (outside of the playoffs, which was is also first realgo round) preform well...WTF are you guys expecting Iggy to be?

also Name these Iggy clones in free agency?

[Slacktard]

It's not about finding an Iggy clone to replace him, it's about the chips you have on your team and placing together the best starting 5 you can.

Iggy right now is trying to command a very big contract and Stefanaski needs to look at it and decide if it's worth it for the way he wants the team to be built.

He's talked a lot about needing Thad to go to SF. That would mean Iggy goes to SG and he is not a SG because he doesn't have the outside game for it.

For the way the Sixers are structured and if they can get the right type of deal it could definitely be better to trade Iggy and bring in a purer SG, slide Thad to SF and then fill in your new PF. Will it happen? I don't know.

I know there's a bigger chance of it happening with Stefanaski here instead of BK. I think BK was more tied into Iggy because of tenure. I don't think Ed is as tied to him and I think Iggy's non-performance in the last playoff series also makes it a little easier for him to avoid criticism if he did move him.

I think the chances of him being moved are fairly small although I also don't expect the Sixers to sign him to a new contract. I think they will offer him less then what they did last year and I can't see him signing that.

There really isn't any benefit for the Sixers to give him a long-term deal now either. He has to come back for this season and he has to perform if he wants money as a UFA. The Sixers can still do a sign and trade with him next year since not too many teams will be under the cap.

[Mik317]

What is a true SG? and I love Thad but whose to say he's going to become this all-world beast? I get what your saying.....a SHOOTING guard needs to be able to shoot but still you don't trade a guy who currently at his worse averaged 20 pt 5 rebs and 5 ast for a maybe. Plus if you can believ Tahd will become god , then why can't you belive Iggy's shot can't get better ( It kinda has gotten much better). Iggy will get a good workout on the slect team and once again leach off of Kobe and learn soemthings and come back better......He;'s done so every year.I don't see him stopping now.

[tk76]

Iguodala's a solid defender but a below average offensive player. Many of those in this years's draft as well as FA. Let him walk.

That is so over the top that it is sig worthy.