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Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:28 pm
by The Sixer Fixer
Anyone see the report that Josh Childress is weighing a 3 yr/20 mil offer from a team in Greece. They are also willing to pickup whatever taxes he owes on the money. When you factor that in, that's likely to be way more that what he could get in the NBA.
Carlos Delfino and Juan Carlos Navarro also recently elected to go to back to Europe since they got very lucrative offers there. That wasn't a big shock to people because they are from Europe, but what happens now if those teams start going after US born players?
With the NBA salary cap rules restricting teams from making big $$ offers, could this lead to more players electing to go over seas?
Could a european team make a run at either Iguodala or Lou?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:07 pm
by psykosacul
wow, i didnt realize they offered that kind of money for childress. realistically, i dont think they are much of a threat if they are taking the delfinos, navaros and childress type players... if they upped the ante and were able to attract a semi star or a guy with major potential then i would raise an eyebrow.
but seeing as how business oriented the league is already, i imagine the NBA would somehow crush european attempts to steal their talent, whether it be through higher salaries or benefits, or yada yada
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:21 pm
by ahwi_quacoe
It is only the beginning my friend , Have foresight
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:49 pm
by Youseff
If the dollar continues to weaken, then yes, this will definitely continue to be an issue. The NBA will always have the prestige, though.
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/conve ... amt=1&t=5y
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:51 pm
by The Sixer Fixer
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:12 pm
by emptygator
i personally have always hated the salary cap...i feel that the major market teams with the most money should have the ability to get the best talent with their money and should always be the best teams in the league. That way the NBA and its best players can get the publicity they deserve.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:00 pm
by The Sixer Fixer
And another one...
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/33963/180Not a big name, but big guys are always in demand.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:04 pm
by doctor him
Also...many of those Euroleague salaries are tax free.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:10 pm
by PowerElite
Brandon Jennings has already set a trend for High School players when he elected to go to Europe. I can't see a logical reason why the top high school prospects will not continue to got to Europe to play for millions of dollars and/or a sneaker contract instead of playing 1 year in college and waiting for both paydays. The big story is the falling dollar and the fact that many Euro professional players don't have to pay taxes and in many cases their expenses are all paid for in addition to their salary.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:36 pm
by Shav
This combined with the Brandon Jennings thing is the beginning of something potentially threatening.
If the Jennings things plays out well for him and he ends up being a high lottery pick in the next year or so, the negative effects that could have on the NCAA would be exponential.
The US Dollar is weak, the Euro League is gaining popularity, and Investors with big wallets are shelling out money for NBA players. It's only a matter of time before they successfully lure an Iverson, McGrady or Nowitzki over there with a Beckham like blockbluster.
Marbury will be playing over there in the next season or two if he can still make a squad.
It's all very interesting... USA isn't the super power it used to be...
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:42 pm
by 76ersFan1
i agree with this, this could be the start of something bad for the NBA. The rest of the world has proven they arent that far behind in basketball and if players start enjoying it more over in europe we might see more and more interest from better and better players in the future.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:51 am
by jmon
psykosacul wrote:wow, i didnt realize they offered that kind of money for childress. realistically, i dont think they are much of a threat if they are taking the delfinos, navaros and childress type players... if they upped the ante and were able to attract a semi star or a guy with major potential then i would raise an eyebrow.
but seeing as how business oriented the league is already, i imagine the NBA would somehow crush european attempts to steal their talent, whether it be through higher salaries or benefits, or yada yada
3 year 12.6 euro or 3 years 19.9 million. That is likely not taxed or barely taxed. That means it would be the equivalent of like 3 years 30+ million in NBA contracts. Yikes.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:19 am
by Slacktard
the 2010 off-season is like 75% responsible for what's going on. So many teams have tweaked their contracts in order to have expirings going into that off-season and have refused to sign guys past it or acquire players with deals that run past it.
When you have probably at least a dozen or more teams doing that it's going to severely hinder player movement in the league. That's what we're seeing now. I think next season is going to be even worse. There are going to be a lot of RFA's next season who will just be getting qualifying offers from their teams and no actual long-term deals IMO. If you're a UFA next season... Good luck lol.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:33 am
by LongLiveHinkie
This will never get that big. Great players simply aren't marketable in europe. Not nearly as much as here. Smaller names will go, but never EVER big names. It doesn't matter how much they offer. Plus, players want to win the NBA Finals. Not some euro title.
On an unrelated note... what the hell is up with his eye in that pic?

Looks like something from the movie Constantine.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:40 am
by eyeatoma
Ewww....
Nasty!
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:41 pm
by IglooKing2
emptygator wrote:i personally have always hated the salary cap...i feel that the major market teams with the most money should have the ability to get the best talent with their money and should always be the best teams in the league. That way the NBA and its best players can get the publicity they deserve.
I don't like the idea of teams being able to buy their way into perennial contention the way the Yankees and Red Sox, and maybe now the Mets and Cubs have done in the MLB. But at the same time, I agree that the current cap structure, where only a handful of teams usually have much money to throw around in the offseason, is ridiculous - even if the Sixers did gain from it this year. That European teams are now trying to exploit this absurd system is of little surprise.
I also don't like the fact that the luxury tax threshold is at a spot where teams that have drafted and traded well can have trouble holding onto their talent without paying a decent amount of tax. Phoenix might've cost itself some championships because of its unwillingness to pay luxury tax, and the Lakers will have to pay a decent amount if they want to retain Odom and Bynum (though they might prove willing).
I think the league would be better off scrapping the salary cap, but keeping the luxury tax threshold at a place where big-market franchises pay a price for going on major spending sprees. The rookie pay scale also needs to be moved up, or else guys like Splitter and Navarro will only be the tip of the iceberg.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:00 pm
by The Sixer Fixer
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:15 pm
by The Guilty Party
I just saw that. It makes a lot of sense for him since financially he'll get far more than he would here and frankly, maybe his game can standout in Greece since the only thing that stood out about Josh Childress in the NBA was his hair.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:19 pm
by jmon
The Guilty Party wrote:I just saw that. It makes a lot of sense for him since financially he'll get far more than he would here and frankly, maybe his game can standout in Greece since the only thing that stood out about Josh Childress in the NBA was his hair.
Constant productivity "stands out" to me.
Re: Europe a threat to the NBA?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:03 pm
by phillyborn_jacksonite
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... wks-080723just read this article by Hollinger..
Although BK had his issues at least he was not as completely inept as the those fools in Atlanta. This is rediculous by allowing this to happen atalnta just guarateed themselve another trip to the lottery. I almost feel sorry for them. Maybe not they get what they deserve. i just hope for th greater good of the NBA the the current Altanta ownership and mangemnt move on to selling popsicles in hell, becuase i think they woul be better at that then running an NBA team in one of largest markets int he country.
I mean seriously, how stupid can you be. DIdn't Jsmooth comment on well he was treated when visited philly and i wouldnt even compare our hospitality with someone like Dallas who goes above and beyond. The fact that Atlanta managment didnt stay in contact with childress and prevent this fom happening by doing a sign and trade with another NBA team just baffles me. Now they get nothing. I am so happy we have ed and ed in our corner.