Insider: TAYSHAUN FOR ARTEST

Fire BK · Post #1 » by **Fire BK** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:27 am

My source tells me late-night via txt msg that this deal is imminent:

"Tay to SAC for Ron Ron and filler. Sheed stays. Pistons make a title run and then have $24m in cap room next summer when Artest & Sheed expire."

Let's see if this breaks soon on ESPN.... You heard it here first.

eyeatoma · Post #2 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:49 am

Fire BK wrote:My source tells me late-night via txt msg that this deal is imminent:

"Tay to SAC for Ron Ron and filler. Sheed stays. Pistons make a title run and then have $24m in cap room next summer when Artest & Sheed expire."

Let's see if this breaks soon on ESPN.... You heard it here first.

Whoah...thats a great trade for both sides. If Artest can keep his emotions in check, the Pistons are legitimate contenders again.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #3 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:51 am

How exactly does this make them "legitimate title contenders".

Ron Artest IS Tayshaun Prince with a 3 ball. And for the record, Artest's emotions have been in check.

The Pistons didn't get better this year via the deal, it's the 24 mill in cap room next summer to be worried about.

LBJ In Detroit?

UptownPhilly · Post #4 » by **UptownPhilly** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:57 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:How exactly does this make them "legitimate title contenders".

Ron Artest IS Tayshaun Prince with a 3 ball. And for the record, Artest's emotions have been in check.

The Pistons didn't get better this year via the deal, it's the 24 mill in cap room next summer to be worried about.

LBJ In Detroit?

Wrong. Artest is by far the better player.
Lebron will never play for Detroit. It's Cleveland, or one of the NY teams.

This move will solidify an Eastern Conference rematch of Boston and Detroit.

Fire BK · Post #5 » by **Fire BK** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:57 am

Dedicated, Ron Artest provides the Pistons with a significantly different look than Tayshaun Prince.... New energy, defensive prowess, more girth, more rugged, better post-up threat, and general toughness.....

Wilfried · Post #6 » by **Wilfried** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:58 am

LBJ in Detroit?

Ok, but with who? Without Sheed and Artest than. Or with Sheed, Billups and RIP whom are all 33+ than?

I think the Nets are front runners for LeBron.

But it would be a good deal for the Pistons, Artest is an upgrade. But I'm worried about the Sheed-Ron combination, not only for their talent.

Fire BK · Post #7 » by **Fire BK** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:25 am

Wilfried wrote:I think the Nets are front runners for LeBron.

Absolutely. LBJ in NJ is a safe bet.

The Eastern Conference is really shaping up.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #8 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:45 am

Tayshaun Prince VS Ron Artest

Here are Prince's career numbers:
12.4 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.6 SPG, 0.6 BPG in 32 minutes. Out of a total of 492 games, Tayshaun Prince played in 452 of them, never missing the 80 games played mark alas but his rookie year.

Remember when I said Artest was Tayshaun Prince with the 3ball? Allow me to take that back as for his career, Tayshaun Prince shot 36.5 percent. Pretty damn respectable IMO.

Now let's compare with Ronny Boy. To be fair, I won't use his suspension seasons against him.

For Ron Artest's career, his averages are 16 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.6 BPG.

To say Ron Artest's steals are what make him a superior defender to Tayshaun Prince is to say Allen Iverson wasn't a defensive liability. Understand? I'm not undermining Ron Artest. But he is not the signifcantly better player as you propose and the stats prove that.

Ron Artest's breakout year was cut short due to the palace, as he averaged over 24.6 PPG. I'll have to take a look at Jermaine O'Neal's numbers to see whether or not if this was due to the Artest as a number 1 movement. In 16 games for Indiana the following year, he averaged 19.4 PPG, this production was - 2.5 in SAacramento(16.9 PPG)

I'll give Artest the benefit of the doubt due to his disliking moving to Sacramento at the time.

His PPG rose from 18.8 to 20.5 PPG. His fouls are a concern as they really have never been at or below 2 FPG since his rookie year and scarily, those were at 2.2 FPG.

Where as Tayshaun Prince was always at a low 1.4 FPG. Ron Artest will give you 4 or 5 more PPG, but only as the clear cut number one. Which he has the potential to be. But the Pistons really never played that style of ball.

From a player standpoint, Prince and Artest aren't too far off.

From a team standpoint, knowing Artest publically complained about not being the number one. I know this much: Artest in Detroit may not work out.

Joe Dumars just wants the 24M IMO.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #9 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:12 am

Artest for Prince is pretty much a wash. I've browsed the Pistons boards and they seem to be down on Prince. I for one don't understand it. He can handle the ball, he can shoot, he has a nice little floater when he gets into the paint, and he is a really good defender.

He is long as hell and hard to guard. Maybe they just think things have gone stale and want to change it a bit, but I don't see artest making a difference. I'd only trade Prince if you can get a player at the 3 who can take over the game offensively. Even if you sacrifice a little defense. If not, then they should focus on moving Sheed and Mcdyess. Sheed has to have some value. Not only is he a real good player, but his contract expires.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #10 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:40 am

Artest CAN take over a game, as the pure number one and that just doesn't fit into what Detroit wants to do. If they want to rebulid, they should rebulid. And Dumars should've tried to find a S/T partner for Billups a few years back. I heard the Bucks were interested in Billups.

A Swap of Billups and Williams would've kept the Pistons in contention and with Salary cap flexibility.

tjm384 · Post #11 » by **tjm384** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:31 am

I will believe when i see it for myself

GreenWithEnvy · Post #12 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:47 am

prince is their most consistent player and the youngest of the starters...doesn't make any sense to move him for a whack job....sacramento wins big time...Artest needs the ball to be effective on offense and Tayshaun is mr.intangible. thats that.

STChaser · Post #13 » by **STChaser** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:51 am

Count me among the crowd who think that Prince is undervalued in Detroit. The guy can do a little bit of everything. I think they'd be making a major mistake by unloading him.

STChaser

ITK9 · Post #14 » by **ITK9** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:53 am

i am not sure i would do this trade for pistons even if artest would have a long/good contract.add the fact that artest is an expiring contract and the fact that he has some major head problems and this trade become very very bad for pistons imo.

eyeatoma · Post #15 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:58 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:How exactly does this make them "legitimate title contenders".

Ron Artest IS Tayshaun Prince with a 3 ball. And for the record, Artest's emotions have been in check.

The Pistons didn't get better this year via the deal, it's the 24 mill in cap room next summer to be worried about.

LBJ In Detroit?

When Artest plays consistently and with the fierce aggression he's known for he's one of the top 20 players in the league. His defense is First NBA level, he's got a body comparable to LeBron's, can score when needed, and can be the enforcer every team lacks.

You're right his emotions "on court" have been relatively in check, but if you've kept up with his ramblings that he makes to the press, you'll know that he's very indecisive about what he wants to do with his career, and hasn't really been able to commit to a team since the Pacer's brawl.

And Ron Artest is not Tayshaun Prince with a three ball. Prince is actually quite adept at the three, but his offense is much more limited. Defensively they're comparable, but I would prefer the pit bull like defense that Artest brings to the table, compared to the hawking D that Prince shows.

Don · Post #16 » by **Don** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:36 pm

I think this move will have to do with whether Detroit's trying to win now or rebuild. If they move Sheed/Billups, I don't understand the move. Would they be trying to get younger? No. If they're just changing parts to somehow win this year, trading Sheed or Billups wouldn't make sense. I would think Dumars smart to exchange older players for younger talent still in growing mode: ie. Josh Smith/Iguadala types who are young and haven't reached the peak. Time will tell what they're up to, but if they keep the rest of the team intact and add Artest, it's an upgrade at one position (with some MH issues).

Sixersfan87 · Post #17 » by **Sixersfan87** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:48 pm

Umm....Ron Artest in Detroit is like PJ Carlesimo hiring Sprewell as his kids' babysitter, there's just too much bad blood there. How do you explain that to your season ticket holders? Hey remember the guy you all hated enough to throw beer on when he beefed with one of your most favorite players in franchise history? Well we got him. I know he fits the persona of a "bad boy" Pistons team with his toughness and great D, but honestly I think Joe D can get a better deal for an Olympic caliber defender (there's a reason Tayshaun is in Beijing and Ron Ron is at home calling Monarchs games).

51X3RF4N · Post #18 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:18 pm

What insider source do you have?

How do we know this is even legit?

51X3RF4N · Post #19 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:34 pm

I'd rather have Prince than Artest personally. And I think they are title contenders with either player, only difference in my mind is that with Tayshawn they are title contenders AFTER a 2 year drought following this year, because Prince can be built around. Once Sheed, Billups, and Rip are out, Prince is already in place when Maxiell and the other young guys step in and make a run. With Artest, they lose one of those established pieces, because he leaves with the other 3.

yashi · Post #20 » by **yashi** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:35 pm

this would go down as one of the most hilarious trades in NBA history for me. seriously, Artest in a Pistons jersey? what about the fans who have personally had his fist pounded into their jaws? he's also one of the more injury prone players in the league.

sure he's a great player when his head is screwed on right and he's healthy, but that's not exactly a common occurrence.

put Prince on almost any other team and his numbers shoot up across the board. did I mention he hasn't missed a game since his rookie year? one of the most underrated players in the league in my opinion.