Sixers sign guard Royal Ivey

LongLiveHinkie · Post #81 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:30 am

I personally think Rondo sucks. He couldn't shoot fish in a barrell and his defense is way overhyped. His offensive game is non-existent, he tries to do too much and isn't really a good passer. I don't think he will be a starter much longer.

Calderon... eh. Not too sure about him yet. He very well could be on his way, but I'll have to see more. I'm just not sold on euros. Not a big fan of euro players.

Parker is very good, but something about him rubs me the wrong way. I will say this. Parker has been money in the playoffs. But part of me wonders how much of it has to do with all the attention on Manu and Duncan. Parker's jumper is inconsistent, but he can drive and get to the basket as good as anyone.

Parker and Miller are very close IMO. Miller has the better mid-ranged jumper, Parker is a superior penetrator. Parker is younger, but it is still close. For me something about Parker rubs me the wrong way, so I take Miller by a hair.

As for Arenas and AI... I just never have been a fan of shoot first PGs. AI is my favorite player in the history of sports, but to me, he is, and always will be a small 2 guard. I just don't think he is a PG. It isn't his skill set, and it isn't his mentality. Arenas is more of a PG than AI, but IMO, still a 2 guard in a PG's body.

freshie2 · Post #82 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:34 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:They are PG'S much in the way that Steve Nash is, only Nash is able to create a tad bit better and passes more. PG'S like Arenas and Iverson is what makes title contenders. It's as Arenas said.

If he had played within the system and played within himself, the Wizards might actually escape the first round.

Usually, a PG stays under 20 FGA/game. I'm not sure the Nash comparison holds much water. He's a much more efficient scorer and much better playmaker for his teammates. I'll take the 11 apg PG who shoots 47% from 3 and 90% FTs.

jmon · Post #83 » by **jmon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:37 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:I even think Miller is under-rated, but Tony Parker is one of the best PG'S in the game. He's one of those players who prove you right about stats not meaning anything. Parker's an excellent defender/scorer and plays within the system. Parker>>>>Miller, and it's not even close.

Stats are on your side with Parker. His stats are on par or better relative to Miller's. Just look at PER or even just compare their per 36 numbers.

Sandalf42 · Post #84 » by **Sandalf42** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:37 am

Solid signing. Probably one of the better players we could have gotten with the minimum.

But getting to the topic that this thread has been derailed to, if Andre Miller was 23 instead of 33, we would probably be in the best shape of any team in the league. But alas, he is 33, so that's the only way we I trade Miller for Mo.

And as for Andre Miller not being able to be the PG of a championship winning team, why not? 3pt shooting? Please. You surround him with the right pieces and he'll win it. He has exceptional PG skills and has a deadly pull up mid range jumper.

76erinSJ · Post #85 » by **76erinSJ** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:58 am

I like Miller and I believe Mo Williams is not the answer but under 1% for a pg is totally unacceptable. He is not a championship caliber pg. With Dala and Miller on the outside teams will pack the paint and wont think twice. That will give Sammy, Brand and Thad no room to work in the paint creating low % shots and alot of turn overs. Together our 5 starters have a combined 3pt % of 13-14 percent. Sammy has never made a 3 and Brand has only made 2 over his career. That has to be the worse starting five for 3pt % in the NBA. If you subtract Miller and put Williams in with the starting 5 our starting five 3% goes up to 20-21 %. With Mo we get younger and makes it possible for us to spread the floor and gives our frontcourt players a chance to make a play in the paint.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #86 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:14 am

He's not under 1%... lol that's almost impossible for an NBA player. He's at 8.8%. Anyway, shooting to spread the floor is Iguodala's job, not Andre Miller. The only reason Miller's % is so low is because he barely shoots any 3's, and most of them are probably half court heaves before the clock expires.

If he shot them consistently, he'd probably be around 28-30%. Not that good, but better than 9% he's at now. Still, he plays within himself, which is one of the reasons why he is so good.

Mo Williams would spread, the floor, but he has no idea how to run an offense or run a fast break. He would kill the continuity and would kill the chemistry. He is a career backup with scoring spark off the bench.

ckchen · Post #87 » by **ckchen** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:52 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:They are PG'S much in the way that Steve Nash is, only Nash is able to create a tad bit better and passes more. PG'S like Arenas and Iverson is what makes title contenders. It's as Arenas said.

If he had played within the system and played within himself, the Wizards might actually escape the first round.

Did you really just compare Arenas and Iverson as similar PGs to Steve Nash? You've got to be kidding me.

Post #88 » by **tk76** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:00 am

ckchen wrote:
Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:They are PG'S much in the way that Steve Nash is, only Nash is able to create a tad bit better and passes more. PG'S like Arenas and Iverson is what makes title contenders. It's as Arenas said.

If he had played within the system and played within himself, the Wizards might actually escape the first round.

Did you really just compare Arenas and Iverson as similar PGs to Steve Nash? You've got to be kidding me.

Nash can create with the pass "a tad bit more?" Imagine, if only he was a great passer to go along with his shooting, he might even be an MVP some day (except he's older than Methuselah.)

psykosacul · Post #89 » by **psykosacul** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:07 am

id rather see us sign guy who can play some small forward, but they may be looking for more than the minimum right now.

ivey has a decent midrange jump shot and size. its cool

carltong23 · Post #90 » by **carltong23** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:08 am

Westbrook36 wrote:He's not under 1%... lol that's almost impossible for an NBA player. He's at 8.8%. Anyway, shooting to spread the floor is Iguodala's job, not Andre Miller. The only reason Miller's % is so low is because he barely shoots any 3's, and most of them are probably half court heaves before the clock expires.

If he shot them consistently, he'd probably be around 28-30%. Not that good, but better than 9% he's at now. Still, he plays within himself, which is one of the reasons why he is so good.

Mo Williams would spread, the floor, but he has no idea how to run an offense or run a fast break. He would kill the continuity and would kill the chemistry. He is a career backup with scoring spark off the bench.

Haha...Are you kidding me? Iguodala is the only person on the whole team whose job it is to spread the floor with his shooting? That makes a whole lotta sense. :crazy:

Look, nobody is saying that Miller isnt good or that he doesnt play within himself. As i said in my last post if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have progressed to where we are. But that was BEFORE we got Elton Brand(and to a lesser extent Speights). Once that happened our needs as a team became different. We cant afford to have 4 starters that cant even manage to be average 3pt shooters(35%). Aside from Iguodala nobody in our projected starting lineup can shoot beyond 18 ft. How do you expect Brand to have room down low? All they'll have to do is have Andre and/or Thads man sag off and double on Brand. Once he swings the ball we need shooters who wont hesitate from 3 and dont need to take a dribble into the paint to get their shot off.

And yes i did say Hinrich and Gordon. Compare their stats(and age) to Miller and then laugh. At least they've been out of the first round. People used to laugh at Billups until he got with a decent team who used him correctly and he became an all-star and finals MVP. Ben Gordon's stats are almost exactly like Chauncey's, except hes younger and has never played with a post presence like Brand. He's already better than Miller in some ways and he's not even in his prime yet.

76erinSJ · Post #91 » by **76erinSJ** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:13 am

Westbrook36 wrote: The only reason Miller's % is so low is because he barely shoots any 3's, and most of them are probably half court heaves before the clock expires.

If he shot them consistently, he'd probably be around 28-30%. Not that good, but better than 9% he's at now. Still, he plays within himself, which is one of the reasons why he is so good.

Im sorry, I meant to add a zero to that one. You are wrong that Miller is a bad three point shooter not because he passes up 3's but because he is just horrible at shooting them. I dont dunk the ball when I ball not because I pass them up but because I cant dunk the ball. Same as Miller CANT shoot the 3. He is a career 20% shooter. Even when he did take 3's in 2003 he shot 108 and only made 23. As his career has moved on he has gotten worse when usually players get better at shooting. If he could make 3's at 28-30% he wouldnt pass them up. He passes them up only because he knows he will not make em. He has to be one of the worse 3pt shooters of all time when it comes to PG's in the history of the NBA.

I would bet a years salary that Miller wouldnt make one 3pt shot out of 10. He just sucks. Dont try to change the facts.

psykosacul · Post #92 » by **psykosacul** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:54 am

76erinSJ wrote:I would bet a years salary that Miller wouldnt make one 3pt shot out of 10. He just sucks. Dont try to change the facts.

im in. and you can have ten years worth of my salary if he doesnt. obviously its ridiculous to even act like we would be able to make this wager. but your suggestion of him not being able to make 1 out of 10 3pointers was even more ridiculous so i had to respond.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #93 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:56 am

07-08 PHI 82 82 36.8 0.492 0.088 0.772 1.2 2.8 4.0 6.9 1.3 0.1 2.51 2.20 17.0

Source:http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_miller/index.html

Yes Westbrook, it's possible and yes. That is Andre Miller's 3pt shooting percentage.

Post #94 » by **Stanford** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:22 am

That's 8.8%

Thats like grade 3 math

jmon · Post #95 » by **jmon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:23 am

psykosacul wrote:
76erinSJ wrote:I would bet a years salary that Miller wouldnt make one 3pt shot out of 10. He just sucks. Dont try to change the facts.

im in. and you can have ten years worth of my salary if he doesnt. obviously its ridiculous to even act like we would be able to make this wager. but your suggestion of him not being able to make 1 out of 10 3pointers was even more ridiculous so i had to respond.

In practice time? 1? I would think the over under would be about 5.5 for Miller. Something like that assuming he got a quality warm up.

Miller shoots such a terrible percentage because he heaves shots at the end of quarters all the time. With him only attempting about 5 real 3s a season, it is greatly skewed. He should be a 20% 3 point shooter barely worse than a guy like Josh Smith.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #96 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:25 am

.088 = 8.8%

Move the decimal point to the right two times.

For example. .590 = 59.0%

He was 3-34 shooting from 3. That is not less than 1%. To be less than 1% he'd have to be worse than 1-100.

jmon · Post #97 » by **jmon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:25 am

Stanford wrote:That's 8.8%

Thats like grade 3 math

Yeah, doesn't take a Stanford grad to know that... he probably just wasn't thinking it through.

Post #98 » by **Stanford** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:26 am

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_miller

Hey look, it also says he shoots 7.7% from the line and 4.9% from the field!

Just bustin the ol chops bud

jmon · Post #99 » by **jmon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:31 am

Stanford wrote:http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_miller

Hey look, it also says he shoots 7.7% from the line and 4.9% from the field!

Just bustin the ol chops bud

You normally never see a 0 like that. It was a pretty honest mistake. If he had thought it through though this wouldn't have happened. Shaq shoots like 10% for his career I think.

EDIT: Damn. I checked. He shot 5%. Still...

Philly_King · Post #100 » by **Philly_King** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:02 am

carltong23 wrote:
Haha...Are you kidding me? Iguodala is the only person on the whole team whose job it is to spread the floor with his shooting? That makes a whole lotta sense.

That's actually arguable. Look, Iggy shot over 300 3s last year so it's pretty clear he will probably provide the most production in that area(whether he's the most effective shooter or not is a different story) unless we get a 3pt specialist. Williams is probably the most efficient shooter we have and he'll have to do his bit of spreading the floor but at the end of the day Iggy will be the one that's gonna be shooting 3-4 threes a game(which is why it would be extremely helpful if he improved his efficiency) since he's the #2 option and the only player in the starting lineup that shoots 3s.