Deng On Verge of Signing: 6 years/$70MIL

Post #1 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:54 am

According to ESPN and the WireTap above, Luol Deng is close to finalizing a 6 year/$70MIL deal with the Bulls. This is good news for the Sixers since this signing should enable the Sixers to wrap up negotiations with Iguodala for about the same amount.

Sixersftw · Post #2 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:00 am

Hopefully this makes Andre realize he isn't worth a contract starting at $13.5 mil.

Post #3 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:00 am

Sounds about right. I've been calling for 6yrs/72M, which is 10M year 1 with 8% raises- and I don't see how Iguodala's camp can seriously ask for much more given how the players at SG/SF are being slotted. It would make him the highest paid of Martin, Deng, Wallace and Ellis, but still put him in the same ball park. Hope it gets done (and with some front loading for good measure.

Sixersftw · Post #4 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:03 am

holy crap. The deal could end up being worth as much as 80 mil with incentives.

http://marketingdriven.blogspot.com/Gov ... -27-03.bmp

Post #5 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:18 am

Sixersftw wrote:holy crap. The deal could end up being worth as much as 80 mil with incentives.

http://marketingdriven.blogspot.com/Gov ... -27-03.bmp

Exactly how does that link relate to you previous statement? I can't even begin to guess...

Sixersftw · Post #6 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:25 am

what can 80 million buy you? Elected positions and high priced hookers. duh.
actually the link was just still on my ctrl+v from the sixers winning the atlantic thread.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... 5794.story

real link...or is it.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #7 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:29 am

This isnt good. Iggy is simply going to say, " Deng got 70 mil and Im WAY more valuable, gimme 80"

geiger · Post #8 » by **geiger** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:13 am

And he won't get it and will end up either traded or disappointed again next season.

76ciology · Post #9 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:00 am

IggyTheBEaST wrote:This isnt good. Iggy is simply going to say, " Deng got 70 mil and Im WAY more valuable, gimme 80"

Dream on..

Deng is a better player than Iggy. Deng is a legit scorer with class A defense. Iggy is a wanna-be scorer with class A defense.

Before we get into a debate. Check out how Deng's performance against Tayshaun during the play-offs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/382 ... ?year=2006
10-11m players don't get choked during play-offs. Hell, even Dalembert knows that.

Anyway, Iggy is bound to be overpaid. And I can understand if Sixers ends up overpaying Iggy. But I think it's really stupid to give him more than what the Bulls gave Deng.

KrazySixersD · Post #10 » by **KrazySixersD** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:09 am

and here comes the Iguodala bashing... classic

Illadelph83 · Post #11 » by **Illadelph83** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:13 am

crazylyf wrote:
IggyTheBEaST wrote:This isnt good. Iggy is simply going to say, " Deng got 70 mil and Im WAY more valuable, gimme 80"

Dream on..

Deng is a better player than Iggy. Deng is a legit scorer with class A defense. Iggy is a wanna-be scorer with class A defense.

Before we get into a debate. Check out how Deng's performance against Tayshaun during the play-offs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/382 ... ?year=2006
10-11m players don't get choked during play-offs. Hell, even Dalembert knows that.

Anyway, Iggy is bound to be overpaid. And I can understand if Sixers ends up overpaying Iggy. But I think it's really stupid to give him more than what the Bulls gave Deng.

Deng? Better than Iguodala? What exactly did you see in Deng last year that would warrant that statement.

KrazySixersD · Post #12 » by **KrazySixersD** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:19 am

Deng isn't better than Iguodala, but its the popular opinion around here that iguodala is worthless for whatever reason

76ciology · Post #13 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:15 am

Illadelph83 wrote:
crazylyf wrote:
IggyTheBEaST wrote:This isnt good. Iggy is simply going to say, " Deng got 70 mil and Im WAY more valuable, gimme 80"

Dream on..

Deng is a better player than Iggy. Deng is a legit scorer with class A defense. Iggy is a wanna-be scorer with class A defense.

Before we get into a debate. Check out how Deng's performance against Tayshaun during the play-offs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/382 ... ?year=2006
10-11m players don't get choked during play-offs. Hell, even Dalembert knows that.

Anyway, Iggy is bound to be overpaid. And I can understand if Sixers ends up overpaying Iggy. But I think it's really stupid to give him more than what the Bulls gave Deng.

Deng? Better than Iguodala? What exactly did you see in Deng last year that would warrant that statement.

They say that its in the play-offs where heroes are born. Did you check my link and see how Deng faired against what should be the greatest defender of all time that caused Iguodala to suck in the play-offs?

Statistically, Deng isn't a better player than Iggy. And the main reason for that is because the team isn't centered around him. Unlike with Iggy where his stats is bloated because he needs to do A LOT for the team. And I believe, with Deng's capabilities, if he were playing Iggy's role last season in Philly, he would have dropped 20-25ppg with 8rpg.

Btw, feel free to make a poll on the "player comparison" forum about who's the better between Iguodala and Deng. I'm sure you'll understand what I mean.

76ciology · Post #14 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:18 am

KrazySixersD wrote:Deng isn't better than Iguodala, but its the popular opinion around here that iguodala is worthless for whatever reason

The popular opinion is not Iguodala is worthless. Rather, Iguodala is overrated and a player who is a 3rd option in an elite team in the league, thus isn't worth 11m/year.

carltong23 · Post #15 » by **carltong23** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:30 am

Iguodala will probably get slightly more since he got us to the playoffs and Deng had an off year. If he gets the same Ill be satisfied with that

Post #16 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:49 am

crazylyf wrote:They say that its in the play-offs where heroes are born.

They are the reason Sam Dalembert has a $60 million contract. They are really really smart.

I did see that great performance by Deng two years ago. That really helped them last year didn't it? How'd they do in the playoffs this year again? You figure with a playoff tested warrior like Deng in their starting lineup in the 07/08 season surely they made the conference finals or something right? Playoffs are where heroes are born you know.

crazylyf wrote:Statistically, Deng isn't a better player than Iggy. And the main reason for that is because the team isn't centered around him. Unlike with Iggy where his stats is bloated because he needs to do A LOT for the team. And I believe, with Deng's capabilities, if he were playing Iggy's role last season in Philly, he would have dropped 20-25ppg with 8rpg.

THE BULLS WERE A WORSE TEAM THAN THE SIXERS LAST YEAR! They won 7 less games, you can look it up. Deng took a whole 1.4 less shots per game than Andre did, and that was because he played 7 less minutes. I'm sure if he took 1.4 more shots Deng would have magically went from 18 per to 25.

Or are you refering to 06/07, when Deng took 14.9 shots a night as opposed to Iguodala's 13? Yeah if only Deng got Iguodala's touches...

Post #17 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:55 am

crazylyf wrote:The popular opinion is not Iguodala is worthless. Rather, Iguodala is overrated and a player who is a 3rd option in an elite team in the league, thus isn't worth 11m/year.

If Iguodala signs fo 6yr/72M he will get paid 10M next year (and average out to 12M/yr after 8% annual raises)

We agree that Iguodala can be the 3rd option on an elite team.

So now find me the elite teams that does not pay its top players 10M next year (or at least 9.9M) ...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Top Salaries of good teams (50+ wins):

Boston:24/18/17M
Dallas: 21/18/10/9.5/9 So #3 only gets 10M, but even #4 and 5 make 9M+
Denver: 21/14/14/9.7
Detroit: 13/11/10.5/9.5
Lakers 21/15/14 without even paying Bynum yet, who will get 10M
Hornets: 13/11/9.9 plus Paul who makes 13M in '09
Spurs: 10.5/11.5/9.9 Ginobli is a bargain at 10M
Jazz: 15/11.5/8.5 , Williams makes 13M in '09
Suns: 20/15/12/9
*Houston: 21/15/7 Bingo- the number 3 less than 10 M (but that is Battier who is not worth of being a #3) I guess Artest makes 8M, but thats the 3M nut discount
*Magic: 17/13/7 The only team that has a legit 3rd option at well under 10M Hedo is a bargain

So often the #4 guy makes 8.5-10M. 6yr/72M starts at 10M next year. If that is overpaying for a #3 option on an elite team than its not overpaying by much- in fact it would make him tied for the 4th biggest contract on the team.

76ciology · Post #18 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:16 am

Sixerscan wrote:
crazylyf wrote:They say that its in the play-offs where heroes are born.

They are the reason Sam Dalembert has a $60 million contract. They are really really smart.

I did see that great performance by Deng two years ago. That really helped them last year didn't it? How'd they do in the playoffs this year again? You figure with a playoff tested warrior like Deng in their starting lineup in the 07/08 season surely they made the conference finals or something right? Playoffs are where heroes are born you know.

crazylyf wrote:Statistically, Deng isn't a better player than Iggy. And the main reason for that is because the team isn't centered around him. Unlike with Iggy where his stats is bloated because he needs to do A LOT for the team. And I believe, with Deng's capabilities, if he were playing Iggy's role last season in Philly, he would have dropped 20-25ppg with 8rpg.

THE BULLS WERE A WORSE TEAM THAN THE SIXERS LAST YEAR! They won 7 less games, you can look it up. Deng took a whole 1.4 less shots per game than Andre did, and that was because he played 7 less minutes. I'm sure if he took 1.4 more shots Deng would have magically went from 18 per to 25.

Or are you refering to 06/07, when Deng took 14.9 shots a night as opposed to Iguodala's 13? Yeah if only Deng got Iguodala's touches...

Yeah, Sammy stepping up during the play-offs. Makes his contract easier to swallow. While Iggy's amazingly sucky performance makes his overpaid for 11m year. And also, Sammy's improvement which has been agreed by the majority of the posters here, again makes his contract easier to swallow. While Iggy's not so visible improvement is a concrete evidence why it's hard to give him that kind of salary. Has he reached his ceiling? Most probably, yes..

It isn't fair to judge Deng during his 07-08 season mostly because it's his team's chemistry that destroyed Hinrich, Gordon and Deng. If you want to judge Deng, look at his 06-07 season, there you could see how he plays if there are no distractions.

The Bulls and Luol Deng didn't make the play-offs last year. Yes, Iguodala and the Sixers made the play-offs. I'm sure that if Iguodala can turn back the hands of time, he'd rather have him not playing in the play-offs. Because it TRULLY hurt his FA stock with his horrible performance. And btw, I don't think that making the play-offs should help iggy get his "prefered" money either, we all know that he wasn't the one who carried this team to the play-offs. It was a total team effort.

Post #19 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:11 am

I wouldn't trust 75% of realgm posters to give me correct change for a dollar much less tell me accurately which player is better at basketball. If you're so interested you make the thread.

If stepping up in the playoffs matters why did the Bulls suck this year? There were distractions? What were the Bulls distractions? That they sucked? You think Iguodala didn't have distractions in 06/07? Did he let them affect his play? No.

You may not think he's improved, but he has by pretty much all objective measures and so I'm not going to argue this with you.

76ciology · Post #20 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:41 am

Why did the Bulls suck this year? Because they were pissed off by the Bulls management when they heard that their core guys were going to be traded for Kobe. Then comes the Bulls fans chanting kobe's name in their homecourt, that was a distraction. Gordon, Deng and Hinrich were pretty loyal to the Bulls squad then they heard these rumors that really put their relationship with the Bulls management in complete limbo.

Iggy didn't have any distractions. Actually, he had a dream role in Philly. He was given the chance to be the franchise player of an NBA team. Unlike from the Bulls' management, the SIxers were totally commited with Iggy. Never was there any rumors that he was being shopped with another team. So, I believe that he didn't have any distractions in 06/07 season. If there was any, it shouldn't be as crucial as what Deng, Hinrich and Gordon experienced last season.