Monte Ellis Out 3-4 Months

Post #1 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:32 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3556108

According to ESPN, Monte Ellis suffered a severe high ankle sprain that will cause him to undergo surgery and miss the first month or two of the NBA season. This isn't a huge deal since he might be back before the end of 2008 but the Warriors have had just about as an up and down off-season as you can get.

So what will there starting 5 look like for November and December?

PG: Williams
SG: Jackson
SF: Maggette
PF: Harrington
C: Biedrins

I think the Warriors may look a lot more like the Warriors from 3 seasons ago then the ones we've seen the past 2 years.

ankle420breaker · Post #2 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:55 pm

They're definitely going to have a different look. They lost Baron and Monte will be out for the first quarter of the season, so they don't really have any ball handlers to really facilitate their fast paced offense.

Marcus Williams, this is your chance.

Skates · Post #3 » by **Skates** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:13 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:They're definitely going to have a different look. They lost Baron and Monte will be out for the first quarter of the season, so they don't really have any ball handlers to really facilitate their fast paced offense.

Marcus Williams, this is your chance.

Could be very interesting if Williams makes good on that chance. If Williams grabs the starting PG job by the throat and no one else gets injured what happens when Ellis gets back? Maggette hates coming off the bench, ditto for Jackson who is already bitching about his contract and I doubt they gave Ellis that big deal to be a sixth man. Maybe Nelson will eliminate the PF or C position altogether.

Post #4 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:29 pm

I can't see Maggette and that huge contract riding the bench either. I have a feeling that Jax will be the 6th man should Williams shine.

ankle420breaker · Post #5 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:36 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:I can't see Maggette and that huge contract riding the bench either. I have a feeling that Jax will be the 6th man should Williams shine.

If Nelson demotes Jackson to 6th man, he should strap on a bulletproof vest before doing so.

Post #6 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:51 pm

So then who goes? Do they move Ellis to PG like they said they would no matter how Williams plays?? Do they bench their $50MIL man Maggette???

Skates · Post #7 » by **Skates** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:06 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:So then who goes? Do they move Ellis to PG like they said they would no matter how Williams plays?? Do they bench their $50MIL man Maggette???

Meet your new starting PF, Stephen Jackson.

ankle420breaker · Post #8 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:41 pm

I'd actually rather have Maggette at PF than Jackson.... which would make Harrington their 6th man.

Skates · Post #9 » by **Skates** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:08 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:I'd actually rather have Maggette at PF than Jackson.... which would make Harrington their 6th man.

Maggette may be built better for it, but Jackson is much scarier as a PF. If you watch the infamous Pistons-Pacers brawl that went into the stands I think Jackson looks nuttier than Artest, and that is saying something.

geiger · Post #10 » by **geiger** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:17 pm

They will start with Marcus Williams, Jackson, Biderins, Maggette, and either Wright or Harrington. When Ellis comes back, Williams goes to the bench and Ellis starts. Odds of Marcus Williams being able to be so good as to force them to put a 20 point scorer like Jackson or Maggette on the bench are pretty slim. He would really have to be outstanding - 45% shooting or better, 15 to 18 points a game, 8 assists type good with passable defense. Just don't see it happening.

LieCheatSteal · Post #11 » by **LieCheatSteal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:35 pm

Marcus Williams is overrated. He'll keep the seat warm until Ellis returns.

GreenWithEnvy · Post #12 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:25 pm

Williams goes back! theyve already committed to Ellis and Maggette and Jax is their heart and soul.

Post #13 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:31 pm

Skates wrote:Maggette may be built better for it, but Jackson is much scarier as a PF. If you watch the infamous Pistons-Pacers brawl that went into the stands I think Jackson looks nuttier than Artest, and that is saying something.

Wrong.... just wrong and yet true. GSW is such a weird team right now. They have a LOT of young talent but I don't see them having the bright future that young teams like Portland, Oklahoma City, and Chicago have.

GreenWithEnvy · Post #14 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:16 am

they will have a bright future when theyre young talent finds a position....

Ellis...pg or sg
randolph....sf or pf
andris...pf or c
wright...sf or pf
belinelli.....pg or sg

they got a lot of tweeners.

Sixersfan87 · Post #15 » by **Sixersfan87** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:34 pm

If Marcus Williams is a total bust, they're going to have to make a move. I mean there's really no one else on the entire team capable of playing more than 20 mins at the point every night. Jackson can bring the ball up but then what? Also considering Jackson just said how he doesn't like being the 5 highest paid player on the team, how do you think Captain Jack will like coming off the bench behind a starting 5 that looks like this:

PG: Marcus Williams
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: Corey Maggette
PF: Brandan Wright/Al Harrington
C: Andris Biedrins

Honestly Mullin is an idiot because this team may be built for Nellie ball but once he leaves they're stuck with like 5 SF's and not one starting caliber PF or PGs

Post #16 » by **The Guilty Party** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:38 pm

That's a good point SF87. I believe Nellie has one year left on his contract right?? Assuming he leaves after this year, what coach is going to be able to win with that lineup? They have some young promising players but the problem is that they are all athletic sticks that can't play in a half-court offense.

And why the hell did they give Maggette 5 years/$50MIL when no other team was offering him more than the MLE??? I guess they were afraid that he was somehow going to go back to the Clippers but I feel like they severely overpaid for him.

geiger · Post #17 » by **geiger** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:49 pm

I disagree. Biderins is a center and always has been. He's 6-11, 255 pounds, with a wing span of a 7-3 guy. He scores in the post, rebounds, and blocks shots. Not at all a tweener.

Brandan Wright is skinny, but he has always been a PF. He's only 20 and should fill out and being skinny doesn't necessarily mean you can't be a stud PF - look at Garnett and Bosh.

Belinelli is and always has been a SG. He's 6-5. He has decent ball handling skills but he has never been a PG and he's a solid 3 point shooter and runs off screens well.

Randolph is a tweener. Ellis we simply don't know about. Maybe he can be a full time PG in the league, maybe he's just a stud, 20 point a game combo guard.

Maggette and Jackson are bothe effective at either SG or SF.

Mullin is not an idiot. They have a lot of good young players and they will have some cap flexibility. They will deal Harrington this season. Even if they get rid of Nelson after this season, it doesn't mean they can't have an athletic, fast, running team. Plenty of teams win a lot of games without being good half court teams, including Phoenix. A championship is another batter, but you can be a contender and a 55 win team with the right mix of athletes who run if there is shooting, defense and rebounding.

It's not clear what will happen with them, but they do have a lot of talent on that roster. It's just unlike Portland, they don't seem to have those two or three youngsters who seem to be good enough to build a team around.

But they have good young players and they have contracts that can easily be moved, some picks, and 3 guys who have put up 20 points a season before and are still in their prime or have yet to even reach their prime. Big men notoriously take longer to develop and Biderins is only 22, Wright is only 20, and Randolph is only 19.

ankle420breaker · Post #18 » by **ankle420breaker** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:04 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... a_is_out/#

Well, Williams will get a shot to run the point.... They mention more shots for Jackson, Biedrins, and Maggette.... nothing about Harrington. They are also looking at Livingston.

sec-106 · Post #19 » by **sec-106** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:11 pm

The Six Most Beautiful Words In The English Language:

Golden State Warrior Guard Willie Green.

geiger · Post #20 » by **geiger** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:19 pm

That would be great, but they don't need another undersized 2-guard. If anything, they'd be looking for one more PG. The other issue is that there is no one on that roster whose salary would match up whom they could deal for Green now and it would be difficult to make it a three team affair.

You can still have 3of those 6 beautiful words and find 28 substitutes for the first 3 words. Tough to do though without taking something worse in return. I have no doubt that Stefanski's first offer to Minnesota was not Rodney Carney and a first rounder by Willie Green. I'm sure the first guy he offered to Utah was not Kyle Korver, but Willie Green. No one will take an undersized back up SG with a health injury and limited range who has 3 years left on his deal at about $3.5 to $4 million a year when a guy like that typically signs a one year deal for the league minimum.