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As for my choice, it's obvious that I'll be voting Blue for Obama/Biden. This was a decision I had made in early March. It's a choice that has become more obvious as the months and the days have gone by. The Republicans have seemed to forgotten that they are running for President OF the United States. They think of it as their top prize. In McCain/Palin you get the worst ticket in the history of the United States, bar none. McCain is a man who hides behind his "pow" status and lectures Obama about his patriotism, but has constantly voted against the troops. And when it comes to Troop Support. Obama got a B+ rating, McCain=A D. Not to mention on how many negative AND false ads McCain has sent out. Clearly undermining the intelligence of the American People. Thank God for FactCheck. And Sarah Palin. Oh Ho Ho. Sarah Palin, the most underqualified candidate for Vice Presidency since Dick Cheney. She has the LACK of intelligence down. But she backs that up by being the most radical, insane person in the world. Not only is she against abortion. But we've all heard by now how she charged people to have their bodies investigated in the case of rape. If your against abortion, that's fine. Just don't push your views on other people. But then again, that's what Bush did in Iraq so why Am I surprised? Why am I also not suprised that no one will investigate into Trooper Gate now that all this has come out about Palin? And the Lose your Home, Lose your vote bull.

Republicans, this is no longer the party created by the Honest Abe. McCain/Palin is a joke. Even if we were to forget all of their problems. Their utter lack of foreign policy experience at this time leaves voting for them an impossibility.

If you don't like Obama, that's why you have the Third Party candidates. And Bob Barr is one that I love. I'm at the point where no matter what, we cannot elect the Republicans.

For a politician, Obama is a fairly decent human being. He's slightly less likely to provoke the world into a huge war, and better on civil liberties. I can understand why somebody would prefer Obama to McCain. That being said, I don't believe that Obama will change the course of American foreign policy enough to make a real difference in the world. He's already taken AIPAC's line on Iran that they're a massive threat that may need to be dealt with force, etc. In addition, while he's certainly compassionate towards the plight that average people are going through economically right now, he doesn't understand that the root cause of the problem is the inflation of the currency by the Federal Reserve. In the big picture, Obama changes very little in my opinion.

I'm closest aligned to libertarianism philosophically, but Bob Barr has been an opportunistic weasel and I really don't like or trust him to do what he says so I'd have a lot of difficulty supporting him at all.

I think Nader is a very decent human being, and though I disagree with much of his economics philosophy, he at least would restore peace, restore civil liberties, and stop the worst of the corporatism, so I'd probably choose him if I had a gun to my head and was forced to vote.

That being said, we're facing a horrible economy regardless of whether McCain or Obama wins and neither will do what is necessary, so all this really doesn't matter too much.

Whoever wins, we lose.

I agree with you on Aipac not only as a person but as a striving Democrat. I'm rather radical. A Populist if you will. I believe a populist is the president's job. You lead your country the way the people want you to lead it. And the decisions you make will be in your and their best interest. To quote myself. "1A and 1 B, never a second". If there's one country that I would make an alliance with. It would be Japan.

I have such admiration and love for this country. Having stood up to the threats of Nuclear weapons after having lost 105 thousand of their men and women to them. Having stood up for global peace. They are the America of the 21st century. A Japan-US Alliance would unite the West and would make the Sun rise higher then at any point in history.

There's an old adage "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." Let's see just how devoted Vladimir Putin is to an alliance with America. We'll invigorate Russia into NATO. Hell, we promise not to interfere with Russian politics or their foreign policy problems. We don't have the economy to do so anyway. But in exchange. We'll hold it up to Russia to keep the peace. And we'll tell Russia. If they betray their word. They have the entire world against them. And Nukes or No Nukes, that's not an opposition in any country's favor. Even our own. With such diplomatic aggression. We'll either find out Putin's true colors. Or we'll be able to have a strong ally from the East and we can finally bridge the world together .

I picked "Third Party Candidates". I have no idea who that would be, I'd probably vote for some homeless guy. I'd vote for Bush if I could, some of his Youtube clips are hilarious.

CPops summed it up nicely... "Whoever wins, we lose."

I wonder whom voted for McCain/Palin and why they didn't post why. Because there is literally no reason to vote for this campaign.

Foreign Policy experience: There is none. Unless you consider McCain's Vietnam Experience as Foreign Policy experience. And if you do, note Vietnam costed us 133 Billion dollars. Knowing how costly and consequental that war was, why doesn't McCain oppose Vietnam? Likely because of this next reason.

Intelligence: You need intelligent leaders. Leaders that have some kind of common sense, McCain is ranked 873 out of 879 graduates. I'm not a genius, but that's super bad. Sarah Palin moved to 6 different campuses just for a degree in...JOURNALISM. How do these people get elected?

Governing: The McCain camp said that this election isn't about the issues. Enough said, they don't care for you or anyone else. As McCain has noted in his book. It is his DESIRE to become president. Certainly not for this country.

oh my god

Sixerscan wrote:oh my god

You know this will end badly, don't you?

Who are you kidding? It looks like we're staying our natural blue selves. Go Obama!

The Guilty Party wrote:

Sixerscan wrote:oh my god

You know this will end badly, don't you?

considering the quality of what was already posted i just hope it ends period.

Don't be so subtle, if I'm an idiot just say so

I will be voting for McCain just because I think he will be better with foreign policy/national security issues. I won't be unhappy if Obama wins though because I think his domestic policies will help the country. I'm probably in the minority but I think both guys are good candidates for the job and whichever one gets elected will help the country.

barkley34 wrote:I will be voting for McCain just because I think he will be better with foreign policy/national security issues. I won't be unhappy if Obama wins though because I think his domestic policies will help the country. I'm probably in the minority but I think both guys are good candidates for the job and whichever one gets elected will help the country.

Same here.

With all due respect, I have to humbly disagree with John McCain being good for our foreign policy. As I noted. Vietnam costed 133 billion dollars. We would have spent nearly 700 billion dollars on this war. George Bush called for 700 billion in spending for the government crisis. Gee, where's the money gonna come from? THIS WAR.

Our fortunes improved dramatically when we withdrew from Vietnam, they will improve dramatically when we withdraw from Iraq. The Middle East is a far more emotional and hostile environment then any place we've been in war. If we leave troops to surveil Iraq, I fear a rise against our troops. They truly do and will want us out of there. McCain's 100 year plan just results in unnecessary death. And that will likely spark another war.


What we need to do now is reform. We need to reform our badly overworked military and our drained economy. And that way, we can lead the world on a diplomatic basis towards peace and eliminating Nuclear Warheads from the face of the planet. NOW THAT, will win the war on terror.

We have allies in this war(if we fight it correctly anyway) We have a resurgent Russia that has taken the leads on these issues. I explained above how we can use this to our advantage. We can win the war on terror and we can lead this country into the 21st century of tomorrow. Alot of it has to do with diplomacy.

John McCain called this great tactic "appeasement". I do not in ANY capacity trust this man with nuclear weapons or our military.

basketball is a lot more fun to discuss than politics-nevertheless i will vote for Barack. He may be inexperienced like palin but he is intelligent, i dont get that from her. I like McCain, i always have, but I am too afraid of his demise to allow her to be second in command. the guy is 72.

I live in the great state of Wyoming so my little blue vote will no doubt be swallowed up by red.

i cant wait until this election is over. you know why, because the sixers will be 4-0

Lesson Learned....don't look to the RealGM message boards for political debate. Just like my impression of all 4 candidates, I am vastly underwhelmed. Both liberals and conservatives posters are only spweing what their respective candidate spews. I will say this we are following 6 yrs of one of the lowest presidential ratings in history with 4 of the most unqualified candidates in history. Again what will kep this country strong is the private sector for our best and brightest are refusing to run for office.

bedjaw wrote:Lesson Learned....don't look to the RealGM message boards for political debate. Just like my impression of all 4 candidates, I am vastly underwhelmed. Both liberals and conservatives posters are only spweing what their respective candidate spews. I will say this we are following 6 yrs of one of the lowest presidential ratings in history with 4 of the most unqualified candidates in history. Again what will kep this country strong is the private sector for our best and brightest are refusing to run for office.

I am vastly underwhelmed with somebody who rips everybody posting in this thread without attempting to actually explain why he believes others are wrong.

In addition, who are these best and brightest who should run for office that refuse to do so and what sort of plan do these folks have that would save keep this country strong?

Bedjaw: Don't be so hasty to put words in mine(or others) mouth. While I supported Obama, in the first post I said that I would love nothing more then for a third party candidate to get some votes. Because we really cannot allow John McCain to be president. And I'm not spewing the same "crap" that Senator Obama is spewing. I am spewing what I believe to be the facts. I suppose in that case, I am spewing my OPINIONS. Not what Senator Obama says.

The problem with the American People is the same problem that elected George Bush. Everyone expects a quick fix and when it's promised, everyone jumps on that candidate. But no one promised a quick fix. Because it's literally impossible. I feel bad for Jimmy Carter. He inherited a deficit and only got 4 years. But when Bill Clinton got the FULL TERM, we had a surplus. People need to be patient.

10 Trillion dollar Deficit isn't going to go away. But at least under the Obama plan there's a potential to cut it nearly in half after the first term is done. We're gonna have to spend the dough to get out of the over dough spending. It's not rocket science, it happens in your daily lives. You save up money to pay for the bills that are due. And then you go on to rebulid your home economy.

For the record, TGP or somebody mentioned to me in an earlier thread(during the primaries) about a Flat Tax system. Once we get out of debt, I think we can make such a system and keep it in place. It controls Government Spending and it levels the playing field for all americans tax wise. Therefore, it makes it this simple: The better your jobs are, the better you'll get paid .

That's my philosophy. Get out of debt, then place restrictions on Government spending. If we do that, then we'll have a very strong future ahead of us and we can rebuild all of the bridges of alliances that we lost during the Bush Administration.

I usually dont post on here that much lately, just because there are so many other things going on in the world that are way more important and Id feel kinda dumb arguing about basketball. But since you started this topic Ill give my opinion.

F a flat tax. In reality we dont need taxes at all. The reason why our leadership(and public schools, public housing, police, universities, and pretty much all government sponsered initiatives) sucks so much is because the government is gauranteed X amount of billions of dollars through taxes regardless of how crappy their product is. Any money that the government gets should be voluntary, just like the private sector. If the government had to compete with the private sector for dollars, they would provide much better services.

I chose third party just becuase the democrats are socialists and the neoconservative republicans are facists. Neither one will get rid of the federal reserve(which is a private monopoly which never gets audited) or allow the states to print their own money out, thereby preventing a total collapse of the country or world economy should one state choose to print out too much money. Neither one will disallow banks, investors, and credit companies to charge interest on loans that they make with borrowed money that is not theirs(or money that doesnt even exist). If a person makes a loan they should assume that they wont get their money back, depending on how reliable the borrower is. Id rather get my loaned or invested money back knowing that the value of my dollar is the same as when I lent it, rather than get it back plus interest but minus the inflation. Neither one will abandon the idea of insurance coverage, which is basically legal, socialized gambling except you can only play if you through your employer & the insurance company gets to determine if they'll give you your own money back when you want it. Ron Paul was the only candidate that I gave money to and would have voted for. Now I might have to suck it up and vote Obama, and pray that he says F-YOU to both parties and changes some of his policies once he's in office. The only reason why I believe he might is because, like another poster said, he really does seem to be a genuinely good person which is something you cant say for many other politicians. He also didnt grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth like most other politicians who dare to call him an elitist. But even with Obama Im not that niave or hopeful.

All candidates are lame this time around.

Despite preaching "change", Barack Obama isn't going to change much, if anything at all. His inexperience will show and our past two presidents have had that inexperience and that inexperience has cost us. America has lost too much while our presidents have been learning how to be president.

John McCain really is too old and I don't think he has the best advisors. He might die the day after he's elected.

None of the third party candidates will get many votes anyways so they don't matter.

For me the primary issues are economic (laissez faire has spun out of control), and stopping the redistribution of power from the government to corporations. I can't in good conscience vote for McCain and business as usual, plus his running mate is far from ready. Obama is getting my vote. If it weren't a close race I just might have voted for George Carlin