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Celtic fan here, dont know if any of u were listening to the celtics broadcasters during the game the other night but when Lou came in Tom Heinsohn said him and Monta were two peas from the same pod. Also wondering what you guys think of Lou? Ive been wanting to see this kid get mins from the time he was drafted, he shoots lights out. Do you think this is his breakout year?

Looking at our squad, we may have a very talented roster but we don't have anybody who can take over the game in regards with scoring except for Brand and maybe Thaddeus Young. And right now, Louis Williams has shown enough promise and capability to have a break out season in the making. But with Andre Miller and his current situation, I think we won't see him starting anytime till maybe next season, that is if Andre Miller declines or choses not to resign with our team.

What impressed me about Louis Williams is his work ethic. He didn't get disappointed that he was brought to the D-league in his first few seasons in the NBA. Instead, he worked hard on his game and you can see by the improvement in his game. And had a heck of an opportunity to improve watching his Idol, the legendary Allen Iverson.

About the Monta Ellis comparison, both are superb scoring combo guard. But IMO, L-Will is a better shooter while Monta is a far more better slasher.

They have similar games. Monte plays on a higher level right now, but Lou is coming off a nice season and most of us expect to see him make another leap forward this year. He's 21 years old, so that 5 year $25 mil deal we just inked him to should be a steal in the latter years of his contract.

That was probably the only smart thing Tommy Heinsohn said all game.... How do Celtic fans even stand him?

Ellis is the much better player right now, but they are somewhat similar. Lue has deeper range on his shot, but Ellis is a much better mid-range shooter. Both are super quick and get to the rim and draw fouls. Ellis is definitely a better finisher and had possibly the highest shooting percentage of any guard from within the 10 foot area. Ellis is bigger and a little stronger and a much better defender at this stage. Lou has a much better looking shot overall and was a better FT shooter last season - important for little guys whose bread and butter is drawing fouls on the drive. Lou is not quite on the same level as Ellis yet - one is an established starter who was a border-line all-star last season, the other is a valuable reserve. But they aren't that far off either. A lot will depend on how each of them handles PG duties. Both will have issues with injuries and endurance if they have to play SG for many years. Either way, it's a nice comparison to have and Lou was a second round pick (as was Ellis) at a time when we still had Iverson and Claxton on the team - so a great pick by Billy King. He didn't amount to much as a GM overall but his drafts have been pretty good, even if his trades and contracts he handed out were not.

geiger wrote:Ellis is the much better player right now, but they are somewhat similar. Lue has deeper range on his shot, but Ellis is a much better mid-range shooter. Both are super quick and get to the rim and draw fouls. Ellis is definitely a better finisher and had possibly the highest shooting percentage of any guard from within the 10 foot area. Ellis is bigger and a little stronger and a much better defender at this stage. Lou has a much better looking shot overall and was a better FT shooter last season - important for little guys whose bread and butter is drawing fouls on the drive. Lou is not quite on the same level as Ellis yet - one is an established starter who was a border-line all-star last season, the other is a valuable reserve. But they aren't that far off either. A lot will depend on how each of them handles PG duties. Both will have issues with injuries and endurance if they have to play SG for many years. Either way, it's a nice comparison to have and Lou was a second round pick (as was Ellis) at a time when we still had Iverson and Claxton on the team - so a great pick by Billy King. He didn't amount to much as a GM overall but his drafts have been pretty good, even if his trades and contracts he handed out were not.

The gap in ability isnt big at all. Ellis has had far more time to prove himself..Lou was brought along slowly bc of Mo and we had Iverson at the time.

Lou Williams is not dumb enough to get into a moped accident...

Ellis is one of a small handful of players in the NBA with a great midrange game. Lou may be better in most other respects, but having that dominant midrange game make Ellis the more valuable and potentially dominant player.

Both should be impact players for the next 10 years. I wish Lou could ad some of that sneaky midrange game, but so few players have it.

How great would it be if Lou Williams turned developed into a player that is capable of a starting position at PG this year? Let me answer that for you.....it would be FANTASTIC. It would allow the Sixers to bring someone along slowly again through the draft instead of taking a chance on Andre Miller still playing at a decent level two years from now. If Williams reaches the potential everyone saw him in from the beginning he will be better than Andre Miller ever thought about being.

This will be the huge test. I'm sure Lou Williams is at the point where he may get 25-30 MPG. Resting Miller at some points. If Lou Williams can come in, and if he can read defenses and limit his turnovers to an Andre Miller-like level. Then Williams can in fact threaten for the starter spot.

I don't see him starting frequently this year, but come next year and if Miller's gone, maybe. Like some of you said, how he improves with turnovers and passing/court vision may be the answer as to whether he can be the starting pg. Now with Ellis, I don't see a clear comparison it yet. Perhaps on talent alone, but he still has to prove himself as a sustainable scorer and defender over the course of many games. When defenses key on him, how will he handle it? We'll see. The cat's out of the bag this year as far as Thad and Lou, and defenses will focus on them more and more. I think Thad's going to have the breakout season, and Lou may improve his scoring average to around the mid teens. I also see Lou's 3 pt% going up, while I doubt seeing assists/turnover ratio getting much better.

So far, he hasn't looked like a PG, but he's very young so there is still some hope. However, if you're looking for a floor general type PG - a guy who comfortably runs the offense and gets players the ball in the right situations and positions while minimizing turnovers, Williams is not likely to ever become that type of player. Those guys are born and grow up playing the point. Williams has never played PG full time in his entire life. He was a SG in high school and has played more minutes at SG than at PG for the Sixers. Even when he plays PG, he is asked to be more of scorer than a true floor general. This is not to denigrate his immense talent or potential or to say that he can't become a decent offensive PG. But if you're looking for that Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon, Andre Miller type, I don't think he'll ever be that type of player.

Lwill is definitely in the mold of Monta Ellis but Id say Ellis has more game changing ability at this point but Williams has more point guard qualities

I hope Williams can be a good PG, at least 5 assists a game.

realfung wrote:I hope Williams can be a good PG, at least 5 assists a game.

Off the bench?

Don't count on it...

But as a starter he could average 5.5-6...

Except averaging 5 assists a game as a starting PG would be fairly attrocious on a team without a super star player who dominates the ball and serves as a primary distributor.

trade andre miller by deadline and start lou will!!!..he deserves it n he's ready.

Maybe, no and no.

why not?? we always have him at the end of games to be the closer type so why not start him? he's helluva lot better than Willie Green who basically does the same things as Lou except with worse efficiency. throw him in the f*cken fire already chicago's already doing that with Rose and they have Hinrich/Gordon.

LOU
Iggy
Young
Brand
Speights/ Jason Smith

trade Miller or have him as sixth man

??? Lou is a combo guard, not a true PG. Why do Mo want to "throw him in the fire", if he knows that's not his game? It's already understood that he's a scorer at this point, not a distributor. He's got to learn the point if that's what he's going to become. Maybe before the trading deadline Lou starts showing he can handle the point, fine, go for it. As he's playing right now, if we want to be a challenger to Boston, Detroit, Cleveland and Orlando, Lou better not be the starter in the beginning of the season. Oh, and last I heard, Jason Smith isn't playing this year.

Sorry, typo. Meant to write why would Mo want to "throw him in the fire."