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j-far wrote:I don't know if this will stick anyway because Chelsea PLC is a private firm and I don't think FIFA can stop them from employing new players. Very controversial area this is and I wonder if Real should also be punished because enticing Ronaldo, Ribery and Alonso also seems illegal.
5DOM wrote:Read the post above. It looks like the age limit in France is 16, and that's why Lens and Le Havre could sign Kakuta and Pogba only to agreements promising they would sign the professional contracts when they become 16.
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j-far wrote:So when did Chelsea sign and him? He's 18 right now so I assume he was signed a couple of seasons ago?
Also why does the DRC arbitration panel say that he has broken a "signed contract"?
j-far wrote:I don't know if this will stick anyway because Chelsea PLC is a private firm and I don't think FIFA can stop them from employing new players. Very controversial area this is and I wonder if Real should also be punished because enticing Ronaldo, Ribery and Alonso also seems illegal.
5DOM wrote:Read the post above. It looks like the age limit in France is 16, and that's why Lens and Le Havre could sign Kakuta and Pogba only to agreements promising they would sign the professional contracts when they become 16.
Ong_dynasty wrote:WHat I think of this is what I think of the UEFA V Eduardo case..
If they are going to be consistent with it..then I am up for it...but if nothing changes, then these governing bodies do have something against English teams..
"It is only four months or so since the Darren Fletcher incident. An incorrect red card, and the automatic ban, deprived Fletcher of a place in the Champion's League Final.
UEFA's reaction at the time "there is no process of appeal against an incorrect decision by the referee".
Now the new UEFA rule seems to be "there is no process of appeal against an incorrect decision by the referee, unless we at UEFA think he got it wrong, in which case, we will decide what suits us, on a case by case basis, and with no regard for the rules of natural justice, and certainly with no regard whatsoever for consistency".
I am amazed that one of the best football players of his generation, Michel Platini, could be such a lousy administrator, judging by UEFA's performance this year. "
Reggina are fuming with Chelsea as the London giants wrap up the signing of Italy U16 defender Vincenzo Camilleri this week.
Reggina president Lillo Foti snapped: "Another talent of Italian football has been removed from our world. This happened because of negotiations initiated by a club, Chelsea, in a time that should not allowed because the footballer had not reached sixteen years of age.
"Camilleri - despite an invitation from the club - refused to participate in official games, as he preferred to go to London, accompanied by his mother and an agent to reach a financial agreement with Chelsea. Everything that has happened has done so outside the national and international rules."
Foti then revealed: "To reach their goal, Mr Frank Arnesen and Carlo Jacomuzzi, using the helicopters of Abramovich, have landed in an area not within their jurisdiction, the Sports Centre of Sant'Agata and have ransacked it, putting on a display of power and money, compared to the daily work and sacrifice of Reggina."
Foti says he intends to take the case to UEFA president Michel Platini, no great friend of the Premiership, and other official bodies
He joined Chelsea from Leeds United along with Michael Woods in a controversial move after Ken Bates accused Chelsea of tapping up the youngsters.
"I read today that Ferguson has been complaining about Madrid, that they are not behaving like gentlemen," added the former Parma coach. "But that's a man talking, a club talking, who committed a robbery with Giuseppe Rossi who is now at Villarreal.
"When I was at Parma they took advantage of the bankruptcy of Parmalat to steal Rossi from us, who was only 16."
Solskjaer's former club Molde were also alerted to Eikrem's fast growing reputation and offered him a contract. But the lure of the Reds proved too much and Eikrem is delighted to be following in the footsteps of his fellow countryman and United European Cup goalscoring legend.
I'm sorry I haven't been funny. I am not a comedian. I am Lenny Bruce.
+ = There are serious doubts in France that Le Havre, who are yet to lodge a complaint with Fifa, have the same strength case as Lens did over Chelsea's conduct in the acquisition of Kakuta. While Kakuta was tied to a contract aspirant – an agreement French youngsters sign at 16 committing them to signing a full professional contract at a later date – Pogba and his parents had signed a bridging agreement, a contract de non solicitation, enforceable in France though not necessarily elsewhere and primarily designed to stave off rival French clubs before the aspirant is signed.
Manchester United are understood to be extremely confident that anything Pogba signed did not amount to a legally binding contract and that they were quite within their rights to pursue their player.
But then again, so did Chelsea, who will not receive Fifa's full legal grounds for their transfer ban for several weeks, but have been stunned by a decision which they will take to the Court for Arbitration in Sport, possibly in December.
Player poaching: Italy and Germany
Italian clubs, who have suffered more than French from British clubs' interest in their young players, are lobbying Uefa to tighten up laws governing the transfers of under-18s overseas.
Manchester United's youth team are generally a good guide to the cream of Italian youth, with the loss of Federico Macheda and Davide Petrucci from Lazio and Roma a source of angst before Michele Fornasier headed the same way from Fiorentina. It was Macheda's case earlier this year which raised the issue of Premier League clubs moving for 15-year-olds, with Italian clubs hidebound by their inability to sign them up under the age of 16. "They tempt parents with big money and offers of work, without any ethical codes," Lazio president Claudio Lotito said at the time. "All these players are stolen as a matter of course."
Reggina's complaint to Uefa and the Italian football federation over the loss of Vincenzo Camilleri is also under consideration. Borussia Dortmund were not happy either, when they lost Stephen Sama and Christopher Buchtmann to Liverpool from their academy, though Germany is not understood to support the idea of a Uefa ban on clubs signing foreign players under the age of 18, principally because that would limit its potential to hire from its own sizeable immigrant communities.
But France is perhaps bound to feel the sting of indignation more than most. Some of its finest young players are also to be found in the Italian leagues, as they have been since the departures of Mikael Silvestre and his Rennes team-mate Ousmane Dabo to Inter was a source of national indignation 11 years ago.
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+ = j-far wrote:I don't know. I thought There were good signals from you guys that Ancelotti wanted a big name attacking player with approaches for Pato, Aguero and Ribery mentioned at various times.
+ = 5DOM wrote:j-far wrote:I don't know. I thought There were good signals from you guys that Ancelotti wanted a big name attacking player with approaches for Pato, Aguero and Ribery mentioned at various times.
That was before this window closed. Big name player signing is usually done in the summer when the player's value is at the highest, and the team showed no intention of going after them in the winter. But really, even with Drogba, Essien, Mikel and Kalou gone for 20 days, we'd still have great offense. Arsenal is the only good team we are to face during that period anyway. We are still in a very good situation for this season, and hopefully the penalty gets reduced to 1 transfer window so we can actually sign one of those 3.
"Manchester City must now realise the consequences of their attitude in the Helan case as it is even more illegal than Kakuta," technical director Pierre Dreossi told The Independent.
"We have referred this to FIFA. For us it was strange to have no discussion from City and now, in the week after the FIFA declaration on Chelsea, I would hope that it will be the same thing for Manchester City.
"Kakuta signed up for just a possibility of a full contract. For Helan there was definitely one there, under the terms of the pre-contract agreement, because he had played for his country.
"It's not intimidation but they can't insult us," Gill said at a meeting of the European Clubs Association. "We are not intimidating Le Havre, we have no intention of intimidating Le Havre, they can take whatever action they fell appropriate.
"We have done everything by the book, we are confident in that, they can take whatever action, we won't be insulted by Le Havre.
"It's an insult by Le Havre to suggest that Manchester United and employees of Manchester United have paid the parents and bought the player's parents a house.
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