demens wrote:I dont agree with your logic. This is in no way 2 wrong make a right, and i'm not proposing make up penalties. Germany would not be getting punished for nothing, they get punished for conceding a goal which they did, thats all. If a striker scores a goal, but is correctly flagged offside, is that punishing the striker? He scored off a play that should not have been.
Germany didn't do anything that gave them any kind of unfair advantage. The fuzz is entirely between England and the ref, but Germany would get their goal from a fastbreak denied...
Sure, Germany should've conceded that goal, but they shouldn't get punished by a bad call, just as England shouldn't get punished. Disallowing a fastbreak that did nothing against the rules is just a bad call, like not seeing a handball or falling for a dive or whatever. In the end, it's an unacceptable situation as the the play itself is based on a bad call, but again, that's not Germanys fault. If you punish them, you just add bad call to bad call.
Well, we disagree on the logic. If the play is called correctly there is no fast break, so i feel no problem about taking it away after the replay. But, ideally, the 4th ref would make his conclusion like you said asap, which in the Lampard example would have been before Germany had any chance of scoring. Thats why i said originally, start somewhere then try to better it. The solution right now is to ignore it, which is ridiculous.
The situation right now is hardly acceptable, but changing calls just makes it worse. Get them right in the first place (and do what needs to be done to get them right), but you gotta run with the decision the ref makes, or everything that follows will be in doubt. That's why there can't be reviews, just quick help to make the right call.
Yes, exactly what i want. But more importantly, they need the authority to make that call. Watching EL games, it felt like the sole purpose for them to stand there was to watch if the ball crosses the goal line and thats it. Its as if they were not to make any other call, or make any suggestion about anything at all. I saw a bunch of time players trying to appeal to one of them for a decisions the main ref missed, since the extra ref was there in a much better position, only to be completely ignored.
The main ref always has the authority to make the calls. The extra eyes should (and afaik they do) have the same status as the linesmen. The ref needs to rely on them to make the right call, but in the end, it's his responsibility and his decision.
