Sir Alex Ferguson Retires

[Kahn_2001]

Again, please name it. The only ones cups there are is:

FA Cup
Capital One Cup
Community Shield

2 of those have German equivalents so apart from the Capital One Cup, so please name them. I'm sure you can spare 2 minutes of your time to go to wikipedia and look for these other non-existent cups

To help you out:

Coca Cola Cup = Worthington Cup = Carling Cup = Capital One Cup. Various name changes due to sponsors

OK, so he was in the bench so I suppose he was part of the team, so take that as you will. That 02 WC did speak volume of his greatness, he was tremendous that whole tournament and he single handedly got them there. Not denying that one bit. But to compare that to Fergie's achievements is just crazy.

Many of his titles didn't mean much? How so? The fact that he managed to make United competitive for 20+ years changing his squads and adapting to whatever to modern football time and time again should give him more credit for his achievements. He's arguably one of the greatest managers ever because of what he's brought in his managerial time, I don't understand the overrated part because that's exactly what his record say.

I thought there was 5 cups, but yeah you're right on that point.

Oliver Kahn won the Bundesliga 8 times, the pokal 6 times, the uefa cup and the uefa champions league. Only goalie to win the golden boot award, he achieved that in about a decade.

Ferguson won the community shield 10 times (meaningless), 13 English titles ( weakest league in Europe for many of those) and 2 very lucky champions leagues. He did that over almost 3 decades. His teams were always stacked, accept for the beginning of his career. They had a huge financial advantage over all the English clubs, until the Russian and the sheiks showed up. Wenger(legend) to his credit put together some solid teams and really gave man u a run in the early part of the 2000s.

I'm just not impressed with him and can see past all the meaningless accomplishments attached to his name.




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[J-Mezzy]

Never thought I'd see a Ferguson vs Khan debate. What a pointless argument.

[Kahn_2001]

Never thought I'd see a Ferguson vs Khan debate. What a pointless argument.

I don't even know why Kahn was brought up.
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[treiz]

This is going nowhere you seem to be dead set on Fergie winning based on luck, despite doing it multiple times. His champions league wins isn't luck due to one fact, he still had to win games to get to the final, it's also not 'lucky" that the Bayern defence decided to have a brain fart when it comes to defending corners. It's also not lucky to slip during torrential rain, it happens even now when there isn't rain during games

13 league titles isn't lucky, he's won them whilst adapting to the changes in football during that time, he's had to deal with Wenger, Mourinho whilst bringing up players time and time again. That's what a manager does and he did a great job of developing talent good enough to win on the field time and time again. Nobody counts the Community Shield, everybody in England knows that's just another friendly for the teams competing

The Bundesliga was pretty weak around 2002 until his retirement, and that accounts for half his league titles. It was peculiar that other teams apart from Munich won the league, which was horribly managed.

[Next Coming]

This is going nowhere you seem to be dead set on Fergie winning based on luck, despite doing it multiple times. His champions league wins isn't luck due to one fact, he still had to win games to get to the final, it's also not 'lucky" that the Bayern defence decided to have a brain fart when it comes to defending corners. It's also not lucky to slip during torrential rain, it happens even now when there isn't rain during games

13 league titles isn't lucky, he's won them whilst adapting to the changes in football during that time, he's had to deal with Wenger, Mourinho whilst bringing up players time and time again. That's what a manager does and he did a great job of developing talent good enough to win on the field time and time again. Nobody counts the Community Shield, everybody in England knows that's just another friendly for the teams competing

The Bundesliga was pretty weak around 2002 until his retirement, and that accounts for half his league titles. It was peculiar that other teams apart from Munich won the league, which was horribly managed.

Agreed but it's kinda rich when Fergie calls Rafa lucky for having won the CL. Lol.

[treiz]

Agreed too, but let's be honest Fergie just said that because he despises Rafa

[Next Coming]

Lol and that is a FACT!

[Ong_dynasty]

in most cups, there is an element of luck and the c.l becomes that in the end.
even the C.L, if you look yearly few teams would you say were the best team that year. But thats sports and especially truer with football