What are the ceilings of these young players?

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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#61 » by cgf » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:20 am

Mario Goetze - lulzers
Neymar - 1 Neymar!
Adnan Januzaj - .008 Neymars
Eden Hazard - .095 Neymars
Rumelu Lukaku - .07 Neymars
Paul Pogba - .1 Neymars
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Mario Balotelli - .05-1.613 Neymars
Gerard Deulofeu - .005 Neymars
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#62 » by bbms » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:11 am

Don't get the Neymar hate. Don't absolutely love him, but he's ahead of Gotze right now.

Gotze - Will he solidify himself as a trequartista-falsenine? I can see Baggio on him. As a midfielder? Iniesta.
Neymar - I say a rich man's Bebeto, natural scorer of the wings, but not unstoppable as Messi or Ronaldo.
Lukaku - Too much underdeveloped skills, could see him either as Toni or Drogba.
Hazard - Rich man's Ribery. Not as great as Messi or Ronaldo, but right after them on Gotze and Neymar's side.
Pogba - Gerrard at defense, make plays like Riquelme, plus all that athleticism and long shots.
Draxler - Wanna see him in the middle, trequartista or playmaker. I can see Rivaldo (or Bergkamp) in him sometimes (the other times, Nedved).
Balotelli - Eto'o crosses Shevchenko's way, with Adriano's mindset.

I see no question marks on Pogba. The clear-cut best talent of the generation, but he has imo, to choose a position. Either he chooses to dominate the game deep in the midfield, or decide games higher up the field. The only thing between him and the top is his own work ethic and injuries. He's quite an unprecedent talent. From this next generation, I can see Reus challenging his upside and that's about it.

Neymar, Gotze and Hazard have the same talent level, but they have very different characteristics. But all three have question marks. Neither is phyisically imposing. I don't think Neymar is an intelligent player and forces the issues way too much (he is highly instinctive, though). Gotze should imo pick a position and specialize, otherwise he'll never impact the game like a true world class match winner. I don't think Hazard plays a good position for someone to dominate. Can't control the game like a CM/AM and is not even a natural scorer, which is pretty much what it takes to be an undisputed Ballon D'Or, and what keeps tons of players from getting there.

Balo, Draxler and Lukaku have even more question marks. I question Balotelli's ability to dominate CBs, I also question wheather Draxler's position fully take advantage of his skillset, and Lukaku still have tons of holes in his skillset that makes my judgement on his potential very cloudy - but the physical tools and instincts are there.

(I'm of course talking about absolute ceilings)
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#63 » by Doormatt » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:12 am

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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#64 » by Andre3822 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:50 pm

Mario Gotze - Already is world class

Neymar - I want to see a season where he's not injured and doesn't get benched by Alexis

Adnan Januzaj - Nothing special in my opinion...

Eden Hazard - had a SUPERB breakthrough year, easily Chelsea's player of the season

Rumelu Lukaku - the loan has served him well, I think he will break out into stardom next season though

Paul Pogba - there was a point during the season where he was hailed to be one of the world's most complete midfielders, then Juventus fell off a bit and he faded during that period. I still think he will be the best complete midfielder in the world after a year or perhaps he makes his leap next season, who knows?

Julian Draxler - WC as soon as he gets out of Schalke

Mario Balotelli - already top 10 in terms of skill/power/finesse - the real question is whether his brain can evolve into world class status (or high school at the very least?)

Gerard Deulofeu - haven't watched much of him



/e- It seems to be an uncommon opinion, but in my opinion Pogba is also a very underrated passer with his nice vision. (think Alonso like)
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Post#65 » by No_20 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:49 pm

Gotze > Neymar? Are you kidding me?

Look how much people talk about Neymar compared to Gotze. Gotze is not even Top 30 on ESPN's List over the best players at the WC. And this is journos all over the world, including Honigstein.
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Post#66 » by DD12 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:23 pm

Gotze world class????


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Post#67 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:36 pm

No_20 wrote:Gotze > Neymar? Are you kidding me?

Look how much people talk about Neymar compared to Gotze. Gotze is not even Top 30 on ESPN's List over the best players at the WC. And this is journos all over the world, including Honigstein.


I don't want to get into the Neymar vs. Götze discussion too much here because I think both players still have a long way to go, but arguing with a list made by ESPN is the worst thing to do.

At the end of the day, that's just another random guy stating his opinion.
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Post#68 » by No_20 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:43 pm

Long way to go?

Lol Neymar is already a top player and many German think that Gotze is great.
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#69 » by magik9113 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 6:09 pm

Neymar does more for Brazil than any of the young guys for their national teams, that much is evident
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Post#70 » by Foye » Wed Jun 4, 2014 6:16 pm

I still don't get this thread to be honest. Comparing 23 y/o Hazard/Balotelli to 19 y/o Januzaj or 20 y/o Deulofeu is like comparing (super)cars to a vehicle in the production process.
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Post#71 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jun 4, 2014 6:31 pm

No_20 wrote:Long way to go?

Lol Neymar is already a top player and many German think that Gotze is great.


Considering what people think what Neymar can be he has a very very long way to go. He's great, I agree. But so is Götze, even though I don't really want to compare them at this point.
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#72 » by Andi Obst » Wed Jun 4, 2014 6:36 pm

magik9113 wrote:Neymar does more for Brazil than any of the young guys for their national teams, that much is evident


Definitely, especially considering he's not exactly playing for a weak team.

He's a unique talent, no question.
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Post#73 » by No_20 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:12 pm

Bump.
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#74 » by J-Mezzy » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:43 pm

No mention of James 4 pages in? Even before the world cup and Madrid stuff, he belonged on that list. Goes on to show how we only pay attention to players from certain countries or certain leagues.

Either way, Balo and Draxler haven't done that well this season. Lukaku is also not having his best season. Neymar, Pogba, James, Hazard, and Gotze are balling
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#75 » by Maex » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:17 am

J-Mezzy wrote:No mention of James 4 pages in? Even before the world cup and Madrid stuff, he belonged on that list. Goes on to show how we only pay attention to players from certain countries or certain leagues.


He was under the radar in Monaco and got his first big audience at the world cup.
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Re: What are the ceilings of these young players? 

Post#76 » by J-Mezzy » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:26 am

Maex wrote:
J-Mezzy wrote:No mention of James 4 pages in? Even before the world cup and Madrid stuff, he belonged on that list. Goes on to show how we only pay attention to players from certain countries or certain leagues.


He was under the radar in Monaco and got his first big audience at the world cup.


Still. The guy was considered one of the best young prospects in the world since he was 19. There is a reason why Monaco paid $45 million for him.

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