UEFA Euro 2016 Group B (ENG/RUS/WAL/SVK)

[HIF]

cradle of football is not expected to outclass russia, slovakia and wales. how expectations has fallen.

You need to move into the real world man.

[HIF]

http://www.espnfc.com/european-championship/74/blog/post/2892501/jamie-vardy-poor-as-england-settle-for-scoreless-draw-vs-slovakia-at-euro-2016

FW Jamie Vardy, 5 -- Vardy showed a few decent runs in the first half, including the one-on-one that he really should have buried, but he was utterly anonymous after the break. Vardy's in the team to provide some dynamism, but for all the good he did, he might as well have been sitting on the touchline in a deckchair, sipping plastic cups of UEFA-endorsed, watered-down lager.

ouch

Each to their own opinion. He did some good things in the second half passing the ball well and always taking the central defenders with him which freed up space for the others. He didn't get balls into the channel or over the top because the Slovaks were parking the bus and defending deep. I agree he wasn't outstanding but who was in the second half? I'd give him 6.5 for the match above both Sturridge and Wilshere for sure .

Dier was probably my motm. Thought he played very well in the space opened up for him.

[DD12]

Vardy was awful. He is an example of a scorer for a small team player. He can only do well at small teams that are relying on counter. He can't make a good impact on attacking teams.

England overall is awful. I was at the match yesterday. This team sucks. Their best player is 19 years old Dele Alli. They couldnt even finish above One man show Wales. Such a shame.


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[HIF]

Vardy was awful. He is an example of a scorer for a small team player. He can only do well at small teams that are relying on counter. He can't make a good impact on attacking teams.

England overall is awful. I was at the match yesterday. This team sucks. Their best player is 19 years old Dele Alli. They couldnt even finish above One man show Wales. Such a shame.


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Have Turkey got a win yet? Or even a draw? or even a goal?

So hoping that you can do something in the final game so you can finish second in the pool and then be dumped on your asses.

[El Turco]

now cradle of football measures itself against turkey. how expectations have fallen.

[Baphomet]

We played well, especially for a team with 6 changes. Slovakia tried to go forward but never could and then just tried to hold on. When Hamsik and Weiss are stopped in their tracks like that then you're doing something right.

We didn't score. Vardy had the one good run but didn't get the service he thrives on but it's difficult when teams are just defending that's when the midfielders outside the box need to score and we had a few good chances.

Wilshere was terrible - glad rooney replaced him. Sturridge wasn't on form again.

I'd start the team that finished. I think that's our best with the option of changing the FBs all four of whom are good.

Never expected to see England so far outclass all 3 teams. 5 points ens up being disappointing but I'm hopeful of progression.

Good luck to Wales too (who certainly looked outclassed by us but so much better than the other 2).

Don't think we played well. I agree with your other post that Dier had his best game of the tournament so far, though. I mean it wasn't horrible but we looked bereft of ideas, and the crosses were almost all too deep. Dier played a really nice one through to Sturridge, and I think Wilshere had a nice one as well. That's about all. I think we will look better against teams in the knockouts who come at us. I made a post in the England National team thread a few weeks ago about how I think we'd be better suited playing a counter-attacking game with a diamond shape. Of course, that's impossible against bus parkers.

If Adam Lallana could shoot he would be a decent player. Unfortunately he cannot.

[HIF]

now cradle of football measures itself against turkey. how expectations have fallen.

The world has moved on.

Mesopotamia really doesn't live up to many areas in the world these days either.

[treiz]

I think at this point it's safe to say we can't start Vardy, Roy has tried to include him in the XI for months now and he just hasn't delivered. He does however when he comes off the bench, so I'm expecting him to be the first man off the bench in the knockout stages.

I sincerely hope Kane is ready to go for the knockouts, we desperately need him at his best if we're going to progress. For me it's a dead tie between Rose and Bertrand for the LB position which is worrying for me. Our LW position is in dire straits too, think we should give Rashford a punt, showed great promise against Wales or even Milner if Rose plays since he's the better attacking LB, at this point I wouldn't mind giving Sterling another chance since he's probably the best player for that spot.

This is my team for the knockout stages:
Hart
Walker-Cahill-Smalling-Rose
Dier
Alli-Rooney
Lallana-Rooney-Rashford

[HIF]

Anyone preferring Rashford, rooney and lallana up front doesn't want us to score.

Kane and Vardy up front with Rooney BEHIND them is the only way forward.

And once we make the last 8 - France then Germany we'll NEED Jamie Vardy frightening defences or we may as well go home now.

[The_Brecht]

Something's wrong with Kane.
That seems clear.

Lallana is a good footballer with a beautifull style, but he can't finish.
Then you become rather useless as an attacking player...

[Baphomet]

Something's wrong with Kane.
That seems clear.

His head hasn't been right since the Chelsea match at the end of the season. But if you recall, a similar thing happened at the start of the season where he just couldn't find the net (everyone kept saying he was a one season wonder at that point). He found his feet again eventually and went on a scoring rampage. It's just a natural striker drought, he'll be fine if he keeps his head up, but I don't want him leading the line alone for England.

[treiz]

Anyone preferring Rashford, rooney and lallana up front doesn't want us to score.

Kane and Vardy up front with Rooney BEHIND them is the only way forward.

And once we make the last 8 - France then Germany we'll NEED Jamie Vardy frightening defences or we may as well go home now.

I said that it's worth taking a chance at Rashford, considering how dire that LW position. Lallana has actually had a good tournament and he has the same problems as the entire England team and that's terrible finishing, but he's won possession in the final third and created chances.

Like I said, every time Vardy has started he hasn't produced, not just that but he hasn't performed, every time he's started for England he's looked absolutely terrible, now if for example in the 50th minute we switch to this then fair enough I can get behind it but starting Vardy should be removed from all considerations. So clearly what you suggested is not the only way forward considering that it doesn't work.

His head hasn't been right since the Chelsea match at the end of the season. But if you recall, a similar thing happened at the start of the season where he just couldn't find the net (everyone kept saying he was a one season wonder at that point). He found his feet again eventually and went on a scoring rampage. It's just a natural striker drought, he'll be fine if he keeps his head up, but I don't want him leading the line alone for England.

I'd personally try and pair him up top again with Rooney, move to a 4-2-3-1 which the Spurs boys are familiar with could help.

[DD12]

Vardy was awful. He is an example of a scorer for a small team player. He can only do well at small teams that are relying on counter. He can't make a good impact on attacking teams.

England overall is awful. I was at the match yesterday. This team sucks. Their best player is 19 years old Dele Alli. They couldnt even finish above One man show Wales. Such a shame.


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Have Turkey got a win yet? Or even a draw? or even a goal?

So hoping that you can do something in the final game so you can finish second in the pool and then be dumped on your asses.

It's better to be like this than like england going to every tournament to win but got spanked by others in the quarter. Not only that usually your fan base gets spanked too. Last time i saw english fans were on marathon running away from russians. That's what happens when english fans face to real men just like what usually happens in Istanbul, Rome and some other places where there are real fans.


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[HIF]

Vardy was awful. He is an example of a scorer for a small team player. He can only do well at small teams that are relying on counter. He can't make a good impact on attacking teams.

England overall is awful. I was at the match yesterday. This team sucks. Their best player is 19 years old Dele Alli. They couldnt even finish above One man show Wales. Such a shame.


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Have Turkey got a win yet? Or even a draw? or even a goal?

So hoping that you can do something in the final game so you can finish second in the pool and then be dumped on your asses.

It's better to be like this than like england going to every tournament to win but got spanked by others in the quarter. Not only that usually your fan base gets spanked too. Last time i saw english fans were on marathon running away from russians. That's what happens when english fans face to real men just like what usually happens in Istanbul, Rome and some other places where there are real fans.


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Are we talking football or UFC?

England has the UFC champ too now.

[DD12]

We can talk about anything you like as long as your alzheimer isn't kicking in man.


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[HIF]

We can talk about anything you like as long as your alzheimer isn't kicking in man.


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You'll be fortunate to live to my age.

[HIF]

From the Telegraph:

Jamie Vardy
Simply must start the next game. Terrorised the Slovakia defence from the start with his pace and desire. It would be churlish to criticise his failure to score early on. 7

[Rasho Brezec]

Lallana is a good footballer with a beautifull style, but he can't finish.
Then you become rather useless as an attacking player...

[The_Brecht]

Lallana is a good footballer with a beautifull style, but he can't finish.
Then you become rather useless as an attacking player...

8 goals and 20 assists in all competitions.

You were saying?

[HIF]

Mahrez -lite