UEFA Euro 2016 Round of 16 Discussion Thread

[CalamityX12]

I think the talent is there for England but they need a quality structure/system in place....

They need a new and capable network that will bring out the talents to the best of their ability.

[DD12]

England were ****.

No matter what the 2 turks say I made it clear that England are just an average team.

Turkey are even worse.

England have no world class players - I admit that I thought Delli Alli would step up during this competition but he didn't and I have no problem in accepting that last 16 is where we should be.

If anything this poor tournament has shown us it is that there are not even a handful of good teams in Europe at the moment. Everyone is regressing towards the mean - which is understandable in a world sport where equality is much easier to get than in any political arena or most sporting arenas.

I am a true lifelong Leicester City supporter and if you can't understand my comments on them and our players then I don't think you really understand supporting a club - you must be plastic -your attempts to disparage my club are pathetic.

Back to the England team, as I said we have no world class players in the English game at the moment. This is due to many factors and mostly the obscene amount of money that is in the Prem and the poor distribution of money to help grassroots football and English players. In Iceland every coach - even of the 5 year olds - is of UEFA standard. In England we may Woy £5m a year to "manage" the England team. The FA has failed England since the creation of the Premier league (and before with it's love of the Big clubs and ignorance towards football in schools and local clubs).

Nobody thought the appointment of Woy was a good idea and if this season hasn't shown the importance of a good coach and a team ethic in English football then people will never learn. Leicester had no superstars yet they beat the big clubs by a great distance. The hope English fans were given just before these championships was the wealth of young talent that seemed to have arrived especially the Spurs youngsters. Whatever the foreign supporters here think no English fan was fooled by our 10/10 in the qualifying - we have realised that there are a lot of average teams that now compete in the world - we were lulled into a little belief by the way we dominated Germany earlier this year and because we are English supporters who always hope for the best and support our teams despite years of disappointment.

Woy continued to prevaricate before the finals. We entered not knowing who our personnel would be and even worse not knowing our formation or how we would play. I know that you've been putting Vardy down but I don't think you'll find a quote from me anywhere saying he is world class. I wanted him in because he's a Leicester player (If you don't understand that then you are a plastic) I stated clearly that he needed to be played in a certain manner and I bemoaned the fact that Woy never played him in that way. He is not a Left wing/defensive wing back. He didn't even get on the pitch in the Russia game, was brought on and turned the game around against Wales, got no service against Slovakia and again no service against Iceland for his paltry 30 minutes. The coach had no idea how to play him and the players didn't know how to deliver him the ball. Perhaps Drinkwater should have been brought along after all!!!

Woy insisted on playing his little favourites especially Hart, Rooney and Wilshere. Hart is calamity James the second. Rooney is old and past it - though he surprised me in 1 game of the tournament only to cripple dreams against Iceland where he couldn't even pass the ball to an England Shirt. Wilshere is the most overhyped player we have. He hasn't played for a year, comes in unfit and just gives ball after ball away. It was no surprise that he was the only sub at half time against Iceland and that he replaced a the DM. Wilshere doesn't know what defence is. He came on and played abominally.

Baph must inwardly be feeling worse than me. This England team was basically England Hotspurs. 5 players in the team. you'd expect that they would be able to work together, be on the same wavelength and thrive as a unit. I expected that - I was for their inclusion but now I ask myself whether they just don't have the bottle? I thought their end to the season was down to the fact that they couldn't catch Leicester but now I wonder if the pressure got to them and they bottled that. Yesterday I couldn't believe that these players even knew each other's names. Kane - the best English attacker in the prem over the last 2 years couldn't even put a shot on target and he had both the time and the opportunity. Delli Alli seemed to rush everything, Dier seemed to have left his brain in the dressing room (though he was still better than Rooney and Wilshere put together) Walker, who been playing so well before he was dropped by Woy seemed to have forgotten where the goal line was and Rose didn't rise.Should I even bother to talk about Sturridge (another who was unfit and shouldn't have been there) atrocious from the first second and Sterling who hasn't had a good game since before he signed for Man City and is frightened of the goal and lightweight in his running - how he was chosen before Lallana (who can't score) but at least can take people on and deliver a pass I won't understand.

Having said all of that it was Woy and his choice of a formation which no-one understood and the shoe horning of players into the wrong positions that really killed England. A half decent coach would have got our average team into the last 8 as group winners.

Long term - we need a good foreign coach, we need the FA to sort out it's funding of young player coaching and invest in good coaching at all levels. It wouldn't surprise me if Vardy didn't get another call up despite his good goal scoring record for minutes played and the lack of English strikers available. I wonder how much of a pyschological blow Dier, Kane and Alli are going to suffer from their second bottling in the last few months too. Our defence has been a mess for a while and this will probably mean Stokes takes over 1 spot in CD. Rooney must retire, Wilshere should do some training and lose a few pounds.

New coach, new regime for England for the World Cup qualifiers. Players chosen on merit and not on the club they play for.

Finally, you can laugh at England as much as you like - the set-up deserves it but don't laugh at their supporters who do what they are supposed to do whatever crap they are served up with. And you 2 turks remember that no matter how bad England are - Turkey are worse and leave Leicester City alone. We won the prem by 10 points and deserve no criticism - it is the high point of our long history and will probably be so in 100 years time. If Leicester supporters can't crow now then no supporters should ever be able to crow.

Didn't bother to read after England.

Cry me a river.

Being English, you should have known better that you never mess with Turks. If you do, this happens


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[HIF]

The turks are one of the few we do beat.

On and off the field.

Don't worry though maybe Turkey can get into the EU after it implodes.

[DD12]

We touched your heart, didn't we? You are so angry when you are typing man. Calm down, take a deep breathe. Don't break your monitor please. You are an old man. Heart attack is a big risk bro.


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[El Turco]

Not to pile on but this is crazy for a team that participates in this tournament frequently

England have only won two knock-out stage matches at European Championships, and only one in normal time. They beat the Soviet Union 2-0 to finish third in the 1968 championships and Spain on penalties at Euro ’96.

Since third place games are obsolete, england's only knockout win in 50 odd years came in penalties at home. Wales equaled it in just one tournament.

[HIF]

[HitHatMan]

I love play of Iceland! There were more like Fireland, no Iceland I think that bottom part of table is like "oh-it-could-be-a-final" for most of matches. I like this Euro very much and I hope for final Poland-Iceland