How did Pep win league manager of the year?

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How did Pep win league manager of the year? 

Post#1 » by freethedevil » Mon Oct 7, 2019 9:30 am

Team a, most expensive club/most talent -> 98 points

team b, not even top 4 in net spend in their own league -> 97 points


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Re: How did Pep win league manager of the year? 

Post#2 » by HIF » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:33 am

Because his team won the league and he was the better manager.

Bringing the price of players into it to defend Liverpool is quite funny. Going on that criteria perhaps Dyche deserves manager of the year.
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Re: How did Pep win league manager of the year? 

Post#3 » by Baphomet » Tue Oct 8, 2019 5:25 pm

Net spend is a peculiar thing to bring up in a managerial debate. There are merits to taking Klopp over Pep, sure, but it has nothing to do with spending. Both have extraordinary world class squads with quality of both youth and experience, and Liverpool have recruited very well after some major departures (those major departures being why their net spend looks leaner), so it's petty to quibble on that. We're not talking about Stevenage Borough here, it's Liverpool.

It's not like the NBA where Steve Kerr could be replaced by a bag of orthopedic shoes and still win those titles with GSW. Keeping that City team so motivated and focused over the course of multiple seasons is miraculous, and something that every City manager before him failed at. Man United are proof that spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee you anything, you need a coach like Pep to organise the players, kick their arses or massage egos when necessary.

Klopp has done a similar job, and if Liverpool win the league this season he will most likely win it, and deserve to. But last season Pep was the better domestic manager, imo.
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Re: How did Pep win league manager of the year? 

Post#4 » by freethedevil » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 am

Baphomet wrote:Net spend is a peculiar thing to bring up in a managerial debate. There are merits to taking Klopp over Pep, sure, but it has nothing to do with spending. Both have extraordinary world class squads with quality of both youth and experience, and Liverpool have recruited very well after some major departures (those major departures being why their net spend looks leaner), so it's petty to quibble on that. We're not talking about Stevenage Borough here, it's Liverpool.

We can also look at wage bills. By any measure, liverpool aren't stevenage, but they're a long way off from man city's resources so for them to essentially match them in the title race while winning a gauntlet to win the ucl is the more impressive acheivement imo from a management standpoint. The starting 11's are somewhat comparable, the squad's really aren't in totality. And large sample sizes like the premier league favor the deeper squads. And frankly we should acknowledge the broadstroles in their respective careers at this point. We saw this at dortmund where again, before dortmund overacheived, everyone agreed bayern were heavy heavy favorites and then once elevated to performing on a similar level as pep's side, we get "ah well, they're good players too!". Yes they're good players, no they aren't being held in the same regard as city's if they're playing for a lesser manager.

It's not like the NBA where Steve Kerr could be replaced by a bag of orthopedic shoes and still win those titles with GSW.

Uh, what? The warriors aren't inning anything without kerr establishing their motion offence in 2015. In NBA coaching, I'll give you that once you establish a system, you can get away with missing rs games, but you still have to establish the system.
Keeping that City team so motivated and focused over the course of multiple seasons is miraculous, and something that every City manager before him failed at.

Do we think klopp would struggle to keep his players motivated? This "he can keep his players motivated" only ever comes up as a argument for managers who have access to greater resources. Many managers are good at motivating their players, it's not a valid reason to dismiss the obvious context of pep having access to signoficantly greater resources thana manager whose team is performing on a similar level.

Man United are proof that spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee you anything, you need a coach like Pep to organise the players, kick their arses or massage egos when necessary.

But the comparison here isn't man united, it's Liverpool. Do you not think klopp could organize players like pep does? Klopp has also kicked arses, and he was able to keep a team that lost a ucl final motivated for a b2b run.
Klopp has done a similar job, and if Liverpool win the league this season he will most likely win it, and deserve to. But last season Pep was the better domestic manager, imo.

I suppose if we consider the treble sure, but surely klopp's league campaign was more impressive if we jusdge things in the context of the season. Rather odd to consider a previous season pep already won plaudits for when considering the latest one.

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